Lions v Aces Thursday 10th April

[1 valve]

1 hour ago, SUPERACE said:

No Belle Vue fans have short memory's, the track at times was shocking and it was voiced regularly by the home fans.  I think track prep in this country at a lot of tracks is shocking, and its going to drive people away, we should all be pushing for tracks to get better. I know we are lucky at Belle Vue, but Leicester also had a blueprint to create what ever they wanted in terms of the track and are still trying to get it right.  

Not actually true. 
There was a restriction to the total space allocated for the speedway stadium to be built which impacted the area available for the actual track. 
That said, whilst there was absolutely no chance a circuit the size of the NSS could have been accommodated, the original straights were built too long for the accompanying bends and hence the well deserved negative comments aimed at the track from the outset.
However, since then a great deal of work has been carried out over time to modify the inside length of the track giving more room for entry into and exit from the turns together with banking  more than one racing line and yes. passing opportunities 
From what has been recently stated, work continues on improving the banking which can only be a positive point and a great deal of effort from many folk over the years has for a very large part finally addressed the original (mistake) design. 


 

Edited Friday at 11:06 AM by 1 valve

[PhilTheAce]

i actually think the track looked much improved from last season, you could see the difference and racing was alot closer than normal wth out any passing, last night was just not watered enough but i think once they get the track prep right it will be a good racing track.

 

gutted to lose last night but cant fault them, was just a sublime hard pass by max on brady, very good ride that.

i seen a few vue fans moan on socials about the move, but thats the same move brady does to many riders and they cheer it,

[IainB]

1 hour ago, SUPERACE said:

Really?  We have already won 1 this year, lost narrowly yesterday and should of won it after getting out in front in heat 15, and lost 1 to the team that will most probably win every home meeting.  We had the 3rd best away record 22, the best away record 23 and 3rd best again last year when putting in 2 superb away performances in the play offs (you may remember 1 of them)😎

Thank you for tearing yourself away from watching the GP ticket sales drip through on the Belle Vue website, I'm looking forward to this Monday's irregular update 🤪

What's not in question is Belle Vue's ability to win away from home, you don't really get to make the play offs without that ability and with the current inequality in the league picking up away victories at the leagues whipping boys is more or less a given for the teams that finish top 4.

What @Rob B was questioning was the quality of the racing/track at BP. Yes the track wasn't up to muster last night but still produced some decent racing for those that had the ability and put the effort in. If you look at the race comments on updates you'll see that there was some good stuff to be seen (through the dust).

The fact is that apart from Kurtz and Bewley your riders just aren't very entertaining to watch away from the NSS where they can just pin the throttle. 

[FishersGate]

Just watched heat 15 from the Lions tv. Super riding by both fricke and becker. Will try to make it to the next home meeting. 

[Aries]

14 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Just watched heat 15 from the Lions tv. Super riding by both fricke and becker. Will try to make it to the next home meeting. 

Should be a good un!

[TTT]

Craig Cook leaving was a blessing, Drew Kemp looks like an improved rider so far this year and he's doing a really good job @ No.6.

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, 1 valve said:

Not actually true. 
There was a restriction to the total space allocated for the speedway stadium to be built which impacted the area available for the actual track. 
That said, whilst there was absolutely no chance a circuit the size of the NSS could have been accommodated, the original straights were built too long for the accompanying bends and hence the well deserved negative comments aimed at the track from the outset.
However, since then a great deal of work has been carried out over time to modify the inside length of the track giving more room for entry into and exit from the turns together with banking  more than one racing line and yes. passing opportunities 
From what has been recently stated, work continues on improving the banking which can only be a positive point and a great deal of effort from many folk over the years has for a very large part finally addressed the original (mistake) design. 


 

Of course there was some restrictions there is in any build, but certainly a lot less than building a track in a brown field site. 

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

Thank you for tearing yourself away from watching the GP ticket sales drip through on the Belle Vue website, I'm looking forward to this Monday's irregular update 🤪

What's not in question is Belle Vue's ability to win away from home, you don't really get to make the play offs without that ability and with the current inequality in the league picking up away victories at the leagues whipping boys is more or less a given for the teams that finish top 4.

What @Rob B was questioning was the quality of the racing/track at BP. Yes the track wasn't up to muster last night but still produced some decent racing for those that had the ability and put the effort in. If you look at the race comments on updates you'll see that there was some good stuff to be seen (through the dust).

The fact is that apart from Kurtz and Bewley your riders just aren't very entertaining to watch away from the NSS where they can just pin the throttle. 

Agree on most until the last sentence.  I remember Lidsey going from last to 2nd in heat 15 of the play off final,. 

[SUPERACE]

36 minutes ago, FishersGate said:

Just watched heat 15 from the Lions tv. Super riding by both fricke and becker. Will try to make it to the next home meeting. 

Was all on Fricke that, Becker just got the lucky break from Fricke's pass. 

[Col]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

The fact is that apart from Kurtz and Bewley your riders just aren't very entertaining to watch away from the NSS where they can just pin the throttle. 

I tend to agree with you on Lidsey, although his heat 12 first lap was superb last night.  Blodorn isn't normally afraid to mix it.  Haven't see enough of Zischke or Zach Cook yet to comment, Mulford isn't quick enough to mix it with most riders in this league.

1 hour ago, FishersGate said:

Just watched heat 15 from the Lions tv. Super riding by both fricke and becker. Will try to make it to the next home meeting. 

Had the racing been better last night I might have come next week with it being a day off on Friday, but the dust has put me off, if I want to miss most of the action due to dust I'll do so at Perry Barr.

[IainB]

1 hour ago, SUPERACE said:

Agree on most until the last sentence.  I remember Lidsey going from last to 2nd in heat 15 of the play off final,. 

Jaimon "I'll only bring my best kit over from Poland once their season is finished after being bang average for Belle Vue all year" Lidsey?

1 hour ago, SUPERACE said:

Was all on Fricke that, Becker just got the lucky break from Fricke's pass. 

Becker had to be there to cash in on that "luck" as you put it... he was and he did. 

[Col]

Heat 15 is on Facebook now - https://fb.watch/yUUTuTXfWM/
As I thought at the time, a second viewing confirms it.  Had Kurtz shut the door on Fricke which he could have, ref would have had a hard call to make.

[Arch Stanton]

I’ve always liked Leicester as a track I have to be honest. Always seem to see some decent racing when Ipswich have been there the last few years.

[89buttons]

7 hours ago, ouch said:

Abysmal, that’s weird. Last season and 2022, only two teams had a better away record and 2023 we were the best away team. Even in this years qualifiers we’ve won one and had this narrow loss. The majority of the league could only dream of being so abysmal.  

Great effort last night and I’ve no problem with hard riding in heat 15. We’ve seen Brady do the same many times, during one of our championship wins being particularly memorable. All The Aces chipping in and not being as reliant on our GP stars as most expected. Good to see Max, Kyle & Sam from the old boys club have a good night.

You scored 8 points at Foxhall the other week that’s pretty damned abysmal 👍

[AceBelle]

49 minutes ago, IainB said:

Jaimon "I'll only bring my best kit over from Poland once their season is finished after being bang average for Belle Vue all year" Lidsey?

Becker had to be there to cash in on that "luck" as you put it... he was and he did. 

Something fricke should have done instead of scoring 4pts in 1st leg of the final eh 🙈

[1 valve]

2 hours ago, SUPERACE said:

Of course there was some restrictions there is in any build, but certainly a lot less than building a track in a brown field site. 

By restrictions, rather than physical barriers such as land borders or existing buildings, the new stadium had a limited amount of land allocated for it to be built which was fully utilised.  
In case you were not already aware, the land fans walk past on their way to the stadium from the car park was not  available for speedway having been earmarked for the development of football & BMX facilities. Which have not come to fruition. 

[Rob B]

5 hours ago, IainB said:

Thank you for tearing yourself away from watching the GP ticket sales drip through on the Belle Vue website, I'm looking forward to this Monday's irregular update 🤪

What's not in question is Belle Vue's ability to win away from home, you don't really get to make the play offs without that ability and with the current inequality in the league picking up away victories at the leagues whipping boys is more or less a given for the teams that finish top 4.

What @Rob B was questioning was the quality of the racing/track at BP. Yes the track wasn't up to muster last night but still produced some decent racing for those that had the ability and put the effort in. If you look at the race comments on updates you'll see that there was some good stuff to be seen (through the dust).

The fact is that apart from Kurtz and Bewley your riders just aren't very entertaining to watch away from the NSS where they can just pin the throttle. 

Don’t blame it on the Belle Vue riders. There were plenty of heats when Leicester riders were behind and they didn’t do anything from behind either apart from heat 15.

Heat 15 was the only genuine race of night, with a good move from Fricke.

The only other 2 changes of position in the other 14 heats are when riders went so far wide, Bewley (scraping the air fence he was that wide) and Blodorn I seem to remember, and were passed up inside. 

Edited Friday at 04:53 PM by Rob B

[IainB]

1 hour ago, Rob B said:

Don’t blame it on the Belle Vue riders. There were plenty of heats when Leicester riders were behind and they didn’t do anything from behind either apart from heat 15.

Heat 15 was the only genuine race of night, with a good move from Fricke.

The only other 2 changes of position in the other 14 heats are when riders went so far wide, Bewley (scraping the air fence he was that wide) and Blodorn I seem to remember, and were passed up inside. 

I'm genuinely sad for you if you thought heat 15 was the only genuine race of the night... I think the rest of us enjoyed it a lot more. Riders don't always have to change places for it to be a good race, you obviously missed the other passes... your mind must still have been in the King's Lynn car park 🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘

Edited Friday at 05:41 PM by IainB

[Rob B]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

I'm genuinely sad for you if you thought heat 15 was the only genuine race of the night... I think the rest of us enjoyed it a lot more. Riders don't always have to change places for it to be a good race, you obviously missed the other passes... your mind must still have been in the King's Lynn car park 🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘🚘

I've just gone through the update site just to see if I forgotten anything nearly every heat is :

exiting Bend 2 Lap 1.
hit the front exiting Bend 2 Lap 1
up the inside off Bend 2 Lap 1
inside off Bend 2 Lap 1
coming together exiting Bend 2 Lap 1
round the Lions pair exiting Bend 2 Lap 1 
and so on

Majority heats could have written the scores down after bend 2 lap 1.
But you says the racing was 'close' that's all the matters then, can ride as close as they want but impossible to pass unless rider in front makes mistake. But if that makes you happy. 
Another year of track changes promising better racing, another disappointment.  

[PhilTheAce]

48 minutes ago, Rob B said:

I've just gone through the update site just to see if I forgotten anything nearly every heat is :

exiting Bend 2 Lap 1.
hit the front exiting Bend 2 Lap 1
up the inside off Bend 2 Lap 1
inside off Bend 2 Lap 1
coming together exiting Bend 2 Lap 1
round the Lions pair exiting Bend 2 Lap 1 
and so on

Majority heats could have written the scores down after bend 2 lap 1.
But you says the racing was 'close' that's all the matters then, can ride as close as they want but impossible to pass unless rider in front makes mistake. But if that makes you happy. 
Another year of track changes promising better racing, another disappointment.  

I think yesterday was more track prep rather than changes done nothing. The racing was closer without passes so put more a bit more water down and I reckon that could be a good race track