King’s Lynn Stars vs Belle Vue Aces - Premiership - Mon 31/3/25

[Rickyag]

  On 4/1/2025 at 5:25 PM, Roger Jacobs said:

This is bizarre.

There are different ways to put line-ups together - that's one of the key parts of the Points Limit process. Why penalise a team for choosing a 1-6 that's based on being solid?  Peterborough won the League just four years ago using just that approach - they were pretty much guaranteed to have a strong reserve (Harris was one of them), alongside their Rising Star, but also had to rely on most (if not all) of the team performing. What's wrong with that? Harris will normally get only one extra ride in place of Boughen (who took all four rides at Oxford), which means that another rider will have to be off-form for Harris to get an extra ride, or two - although one of his additional rides could well be Heat 15. In the meantime, look at other clubs - they often juggle their reserves, and the Rising Star regularly gets just three rides, irrespective of the age/experience of their #6 partner.

Harris's average from last season is 0.50 lower than any other members of the KL team. In the meantime, the other six Premiership teams each have at least two riders with an average higher than KL's starting #1.  (As an aside:  Ironically, King's Lynn's combined starting average is 0.2 higher than that of Ipswich!).

Harris will almost certainly move into the 1-5 when the Stars receive their first new set of averages - in theory they will have another strong reserve - it's how they built their team. Simples.

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I maybe incorrect but I believe Bomber never rode at reserve all season for Peterborough, although it looked it maybe doing but didn`t. I believe it was Anderson, Nicholls, Pedersen and Ostergaard.

[AceBelle]

  On 4/1/2025 at 4:48 PM, Arthur54 said:

Going by some of the comments on here, your a very close 2nd

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think we are clearly number 1 would you like to come a polish the trophy 😂

Edited Tuesday at 06:52 PM by AceBelle

[AceBelle]

  On 4/1/2025 at 4:51 PM, Arthur54 said:

Ah Mr Kurtz, surposibly the next Darcy Ward, in your dreams 

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what did ward win ?? world under 21 that's about it ? he was never Aussie champion was he ??

[Arthur54]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:51 PM, AceBelle said:

what did ward win ?? world under 21 that's about it ? he was never Aussie champion was he ??

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Won a GP in Denmark, would definitely been world champion, if injury hadn't cut his career short 

[bigcatdiary]

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:00 AM, Aries said:

You make this comment on every single thread about every single track bar the NSS. Why you continue to have an interest in British Speedway now Peterborough have sadly gone and worse still, continue to PAY to go to meetings when you seemingly hate the racing at nearly every track is beyond me. 

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I make comments on tracks based on racing, entertainment and the ability or chance to overtake and being honest most of the Premiership tracks don’t provide much in respect of decent racing or more than the odd chance of passing.

The NSS is thankfully one that is generally allows for numerous different racing lines, sadly not many in the Premiership do and after watching speedway in excess of 50 years I feel well able to know the difference between gate and go tracks and proper racing tracks.

This sport is in a real mess because of the lack of decent racing and entertainment and I make no apologies for highlighting it.

Perhaps I was spoilt in my time at Peterborough because it was one of the best racing tracks in the UK.

[bigcatdiary]

  On 4/1/2025 at 6:40 PM, Rickyag said:

I maybe incorrect but I believe Bomber never rode at reserve all season for Peterborough, although it looked it maybe doing but didn`t. I believe it was Anderson, Nicholls, Pedersen and Ostergaard.

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Harris rode twice at no 7 in July 2021 once at home and once away at Sheffield where he scored paid 17.

[AceBelle]

  On 4/1/2025 at 7:12 PM, Arthur54 said:

Won a GP in Denmark, would definitely been world champion, if injury hadn't cut his career short 

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kurtz will win of the two GP'S at NSS so will soon be level 🤣 and if auntie had balls she would be my uncle 🤣if's but's maybe's he wasn't so no story here neither was Leigh Adams that's the way it goes !! haven't you got chat on championship thread which is your level now 😂

Edited Tuesday at 07:26 PM by AceBelle

[PhilTheAce]

My dads bigger than your dad 

 

my cocks bigger than your cock 

[ouch]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:42 PM, Arthur54 said:

Do you still think you would dominate if Poole were still in the top league, i don't think so 

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Question 

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  On 4/1/2025 at 5:41 PM, Daniel Smith said:

Think there's a misunderstanding of what Aries is saying. Harris is just an example.

The point being, if a 'Rising Star' gets injured, should the No6 be allowed to take the remaining rides?

Take this as an example.

King's Lynn make the Play-Off Final and are 10-12 points down after the first leg. I'd take a tactical fall from the No7 in heat 2 & withdraw them, which allows the No6 to have 7 rides.

Is it right that the No6 could score 9 points from the No7 rides under the current 'Rising Star' format?

For me, either have a No8 available, or go with 3 riders only for 1 or 2 heats.

The reserve position is wide open to some serious manipulation. 

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Answer

Where cheating is concerned Poole make Ipswich look like amateurs. 

[foreverblue]

  On 4/1/2025 at 7:25 PM, AceBelle said:

kurtz will win of the two GP'S at NSS so will soon be level 🤣 and if auntie had balls she would be my uncle 🤣if's but's maybe's he wasn't so no story here neither was Leigh Adams that's the way it goes !! haven't you got chat on championship thread which is your level now 😂

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If Poole had stayed in the top league Kurtz would most likely still be at Poole, so you should thank us for dropping down to allow you to use him.

[Arthur54]

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:41 PM, foreverblue said:

If Poole had stayed in the top league Kurtz would most likely still be at Poole, so you should thank us for dropping down to allow you to use him.

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I think he had a fall out with middlo, so maybe not 

[AceBelle]

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:41 PM, foreverblue said:

If Poole had stayed in the top league Kurtz would most likely still be at Poole, so you should thank us for dropping down to allow you to use him.

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he left because we are bigger ask him now how he feels about B/vue ? poole was a stepping stone to better things  another pointless what if ??????????

[foreverblue]

  On 4/1/2025 at 8:59 PM, AceBelle said:

he left because we are bigger ask him now how he feels about B/vue ? poole was a stepping stone to better things  another pointless what if ??????????

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He could not ride for us in the Championship so he had to go somewhere else, not because you are bigger. Poole are the most successful club in the modern era, Belle Vue are the most successful club though and the club most people know.

[szkocjasid]

Regarding the RS or weakest reserve not having 3 rides when injured. This isn't a new situation it's happened before, it'll happen again, I think there's been so much said about because Chris Harris has been riding so well. Would we get the same reaction if Kemp replaced Hagon or Vuolas replaced Edwards I think not!

Was it not only last year that Dan T was injured & Ipswich used r/r for him meaning they didn't have to use a RS in that match at all?

I do feel having 3 rider races because of an injury should be avoided if at all possible.

[StarBoy]

  On 4/1/2025 at 10:24 PM, szkocjasid said:

Regarding the RS or weakest reserve not having 3 rides when injured. This isn't a new situation it's happened before, it'll happen again, I think there's been so much said about because Chris Harris has been riding so well. Would we get the same reaction if Kemp replaced Hagon or Vuolas replaced Edwards I think not!

Was it not only last year that Dan T was injured & Ipswich used r/r for him meaning they didn't have to use a RS in that match at all?

I do feel having 3 rider races because of an injury should be avoided if at all possible.

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In Ipswich’s defence, I think at that point in time Dan T had made it into the main body of the team and Rew and Jenkins were at reserve, at which point the rules become very skewed for protecting the RS.

It would have been the same situation for King’s Lynn last year after Anders Rowe made it out of the reserves and Lewis Kerr replaced him. Fortunately, Anders didn’t miss any meetings and was riding better than Kerr and Wojdylo so didn’t need to be replaced. 

[ouch]

  On 4/1/2025 at 10:24 PM, szkocjasid said:

Regarding the RS or weakest reserve not having 3 rides when injured. This isn't a new situation it's happened before, it'll happen again, I think there's been so much said about because Chris Harris has been riding so well. Would we get the same reaction if Kemp replaced Hagon or Vuolas replaced Edwards I think not!

Was it not only last year that Dan T was injured & Ipswich used r/r for him meaning they didn't have to use a RS in that match at all?

I do feel having 3 rider races because of an injury should be avoided if at all possible.

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Here it is. 

https://britishspeedway.co.uk/23results/ipswich_10.08.23_res.pdf

To be fair to Ipswich, there was no rule breaking this time. 

[Aries]

  On 4/2/2025 at 6:13 AM, StarBoy said:

In Ipswich’s defence, I think at that point in time Dan T had made it into the main body of the team and Rew and Jenkins were at reserve, at which point the rules become very skewed for protecting the RS.

It would have been the same situation for King’s Lynn last year after Anders Rowe made it out of the reserves and Lewis Kerr replaced him. Fortunately, Anders didn’t miss any meetings and was riding better than Kerr and Wojdylo so didn’t need to be replaced. 

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Correct Dan Thompson was up in to the main body of the side and as per the rules, Rider Replacement became effective. There is an argument that the rising stars should be protected and stay at 7 all season regardless of how well they do or what average they attain. The “main” six swap places as and when, dictated by averages. The sooner they bin this rising star stuff off in the top flight the better. I’m not a fan and never have been. The whole thing is a mess, from a list that contains riders of different levels and potential, to nonsense priority picks based on previous seasons table finishings. Then you’ve got the 25% guff when a rider comes out of it and it’s all a huge pile of crap IMO. Bin it. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:20 AM by Aries

[DaveWayne]

  On 4/1/2025 at 10:08 AM, DaveWayne said:

Belle Vue threads always end up like this because there are an element of BV fans on here who post like 12 year old children.

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Nice of the 2 main protagonists to pop in and prove me right. 😉

[Arch Stanton]

  On 4/2/2025 at 7:11 AM, DaveWayne said:

Nice of the 2 main protagonists to pop in and prove me right. 😉

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Ouch is the very definition of a forum Troll. There is no way he believes the stuff he writes I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid. It’s purely engagement farming and unfortunately it works because people keep biting and responding to him. 
 

The other one, is just clearly not very bright and I’ll leave it at that. 

[ArseBellEnd]

  On 4/2/2025 at 7:28 AM, Arch Stanton said:

The other one, is just clearly not very bright and I’ll leave it at that. 

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