King’s Lynn Stars vs Belle Vue Aces - Premiership - Mon 31/3/25

[AceBelle]

30 minutes ago, TTT said:

You still would've lost even if you used a Tactical ride and got a 5-1 from it which says it all really.

I'm not even on a wind up, I just genuinely don't see how Belle Vue can find any positives out of last night other than being gift wrapped the win through lady luck.

Great isn't it love it 🤣🏆♣️

[AceBelle]

32 minutes ago, TTT said:

You still would've lost even if you used a Tactical ride and got a 5-1 from it which says it all really.

I'm not even on a wind up, I just genuinely don't see how Belle Vue can find any positives out of last night other than being gift wrapped the win through lady luck.

All this cockyness will soon stop for sure be prepared 😜🏆♣️

[Arthur54]

6 hours ago, AceBelle said:

think you mean loyal years of supporting the most famous team in speedway 😜  anyway glad we obliged with a away win for you let's  see in October who lifts the trophy 🏆 🤣 have a nice day we will 🤣🤣

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

[AceBelle]

13 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

think you will find it's the one with more top flight league titles 😉 Poole can't match Aces History in a million years 😉 where are you now oh yeah 2nd division somewhere where Aces have never been or likely to end of conversation 🏆♣️

[AceBelle]

16 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[SUPERACE]

1 hour ago, TTT said:

You still would've lost even if you used a Tactical ride and got a 5-1 from it which says it all really.

I'm not even on a wind up, I just genuinely don't see how Belle Vue can find any positives out of last night other than being gift wrapped the win through lady luck.

we won while not at our best. As the film Frozen stated "Let it go, Let it goooo. 🤣

[SUPERACE]

36 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

Poole are one of but Belle Vue are thee most famous, even AI thinks so😂.  Outside of Speedway the ACES are much more famous than Poole, no disrespect but its not even close.  

Edited Tuesday at 02:33 PM by SUPERACE

[AceBelle]

1 hour ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

You are definitely the most hated you can have that title all to yourselves 🤣🤣🤣

[Arthur54]

1 hour ago, AceBelle said:

think you will find it's the one with more top flight league titles 😉 Poole can't match Aces History in a million years 😉 where are you now oh yeah 2nd division somewhere where Aces have never been or likely to end of conversation 🏆♣️

Do you still think you would dominate if Poole were still in the top league, i don't think so 

[Arthur54]

1 hour ago, AceBelle said:

think you will find it's the one with more top flight league titles 😉 Poole can't match Aces History in a million years 😉 where are you now oh yeah 2nd division somewhere where Aces have never been or likely to end of conversation 🏆♣️

Never say never, you never know what's round the corner 

[AceBelle]

43 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

Do you still think you would dominate if Poole were still in the top league, i don't think so 

I know so look where kurtz as ended up 🤣🏆♣️

[AceBelle]

41 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

Never say never, you never know what's round the corner 

You stick to championship that's  your level 🤣

[AceBelle]

42 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

Never say never, you never know what's round the corner 

This is a premiership page 🤣

[Bojangles]

8 hours ago, BackInTheDHSS said:

Can you imagine Belle Vue and Poole in the same league? *shudders*

I think - unfortunately - we're getting an insight into that right now.

[Arthur54]

1 hour ago, AceBelle said:

You are definitely the most hated you can have that title all to yourselves 🤣🤣🤣

Going by some of the comments on here, your a very close 2nd

[Arthur54]

22 minutes ago, AceBelle said:

I know so look where kurtz as ended up 🤣🏆♣️

Ah Mr Kurtz, surposibly the next Darcy Ward, in your dreams 

[Trees]

3 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

Belle Vue eclipsed Poole imo

[Daniel Smith]

3 hours ago, Arthur54 said:

I think you will find Poole are one of the most famous clubs in speedway, certainly the most hated and talked about 

Only the Matt Ford era.

Belle Vue are the superior & the only BIG club of Great British Speedway. 

[Roger Jacobs]

8 hours ago, Aries said:

This just isn’t right is it. I’ve no doubt Boughen was genuinely unfit to take his third ride but if this can happen then that just opens up the door to manipulation in the future. It’s accepted that Premiership teams have six Premiership standard riders, and one up and coming rising star each for the sole reason of mixing it with better riders to help their progression in the sport. Every rising star has to take three programmed rides, no advantage to either side. The fact a club can replace their rising star with let’s face it, a seasoned heat leader despite him riding at reserve, doesn’t sit well with me. You’ve basically just been handed a bonus tactical substitution that the other club won’t have. Okay Harris only got one point in that heat but that’s not the point. If a rising star can’t fulfil their programmed rides, then that club should run heats with only one rider. Unlucky for that club yes, but that’s the way it should be. 

The only other way around it, is by giving the opposing club the option of replacing their rising star with their senior reserve also. Unless the injured rising star was due in heat 14 which wouldn’t allow the opposition an opportunity to replace theirs, in which case you go with one rider. 

This is bizarre.

There are different ways to put line-ups together - that's one of the key parts of the Points Limit process. Why penalise a team for choosing a 1-6 that's based on being solid?  Peterborough won the League just four years ago using just that approach - they were pretty much guaranteed to have a strong reserve (Harris was one of them), alongside their Rising Star, but also had to rely on most (if not all) of the team performing. What's wrong with that? Harris will normally get only one extra ride in place of Boughen (who took all four rides at Oxford), which means that another rider will have to be off-form for Harris to get an extra ride, or two - although one of his additional rides could well be Heat 15. In the meantime, look at other clubs - they often juggle their reserves, and the Rising Star regularly gets just three rides, irrespective of the age/experience of their #6 partner.

Harris's average from last season is 0.50 lower than any other members of the KL team. In the meantime, the other six Premiership teams each have at least two riders with an average higher than KL's starting #1.  (As an aside:  Ironically, King's Lynn's combined starting average is 0.2 higher than that of Ipswich!).

Harris will almost certainly move into the 1-5 when the Stars receive their first new set of averages - in theory they will have another strong reserve - it's how they built their team. Simples.

Edited Tuesday at 05:28 PM by Roger Jacobs

[Daniel Smith]

2 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said:

This is bizarre.

There are different ways to put line-ups together - that's one of the key parts of the Points Limit process. Why penalise a team for choosing a team that's based on being solid?  Peterborough won the League just four years ago using just that approach - they were pretty much guaranteed to have a strong reserve (Harris was one of them), alongside their Rising Star, but also had to rely on most (if not all) of the team performing. What's wrong with that? Harris will normally only get one extra ride in place of Boughen (who took all four rides at Oxford), which means that another rider will have to be off-form for Harris to get an extra ride, or two - although one of his additional rides could well be Heat 15. In the meantime, look at other clubs - they often juggle their reserves, and the Rising Star regularly gets just three rides, irrespective of the age/experience of their #6 partner.

Harris's average from last season is 0.50 lower than any other members of the KL team. In the meantime, the other six Premiership teams each have at least two riders with an average higher than KL's starting #1.  (As an aside:  Ironically, King's Lynn's combined starting average is 0.2 higher than that of Ipswich!).

Harris will almost certainly move into the 1-5 when the Stars receive their first new set of averages - in theory they will have another strong reserve - it's how they built their team. Simples.

Think there's a misunderstanding of what Aries is saying. Harris is just an example.

The point being, if a 'Rising Star' gets injured, should the No6 be allowed to take the remaining rides?

Take this as an example.

King's Lynn make the Play-Off Final and are 10-12 points down after the first leg. I'd take a tactical fall from the No7 in heat 2 & withdraw them, which allows the No6 to have 7 rides.

Is it right that the No6 could score 9 points from the No7 rides under the current 'Rising Star' format?

For me, either have a No8 available, or go with 3 riders only for 1 or 2 heats.

The reserve position is wide open to some serious manipulation.