SteelShoe Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Bellers101 said: Went to the CLRC today and experienced the worst catering I've seen at a speedway track in 40 years. Despite it being a major meeting they ran out of burgers less than half way through the meeting and was told they didn't have any hot dogs. £4 for one slice of bacon in a bun that was so dry it must have been a week old and was virtually inedible. Disgraceful. Chips were poor too. Curry sauce might have helped but they had run out of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, eric i said: Iam not sure what you were watching, I didn't see a single bump. We were present and commented on just how bumpy it appeared from watching the bikes skipping over them on turns 1 and 2. Regardless of this we enjoyed the meeting and it was great to see Bomber win the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 6 hours ago, Marksman said: It’s unique for sure, must be the bumpiest track in the league. Have a bad back just from watching it. It’s motocross like surface and shape probably just create the close racing. Never been my favourite track to watch racing at to be honest. Nice to see Steve Worrall showing some form... I've never rated the track as being one that really required any skill as a Speedway rider. Yes it's entertaining and the racing can be good but it's all a bit random for my liking, you can watch riders riding the same line on 2 consecutive laps and 1 lap they'll make a pass and the 2nd lap they'll get passed... it's the Speedway equivalent of Whirley Wheelers for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 (edited) 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I really dislike having finals after the 20 heats. I know all the riders knew the rules beforehand & officially Bomber is a deserving winner. I can't say that Worrall is "unlucky" as the top scorer has no "divine right to win" but I think any extra heats are unnecessary & that it should be decided over 20 heats. 4 hours ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Each to their own, but I couldn’t possibly disagree more if I tried. Finals exist to not only crown the most consistent performer, but also the person who can prove it under pressure. From a viewers perspective, it’s creates a spectacle and drama; a single high-stakes race that captures the attention. It takes a different set of skills to win a final too. It’s mental toughness and adaptability from a low-pressure qualifying section to an all-on-the-line final. I can only assume you’re a Scunthorpe fan, are Richie Worrall and/or don’t enjoy excitement. Like you said each to their own & I know many people like finals, but I don't get excited about them as I feel the meeting should've been won by Worrall. I guess I feel like Harris was winning a competition set up to give a second chance for people who weren't good enough to win over a fair 20 heat format. I don't get the logic of rewarding riders who were near the top, but not the best. "Finals exist to not only crown the most consistent performer, but also the person who can prove it under pressure" I can agree they may prove who is the better under pressure, but finals don't crown the most consistent performer, Harris was quite inconsistent. You make a fair point about the mental aspect of a low pressure qualifying system vs an all-on-the-line-final, but if there was no final, then there wouldn't be a low pressure qualifying system. I agree the final can make an exciting end to the meeting, however they do take away a bit of excitement from all of the rest of the races, fans know that the first 20 heats aren't so vital. In Worrall's last ride instead of being excited about watching the Championship decider, fans know it's just another heat. So is a final "creating" excitement or just "transfering" it from elsewhere? Finally I was a Rye House / Arena-Essex but now really a neutral fan. I like the excitement of every race counting, not one more than others. Edited April 7 by szkocjasid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Monday at 07:31 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 07:31 AM 7 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I agree the final can make an exciting end to the meeting, however they do take away a bit of excitement from all of the rest of the races, fans know that the first 20 heats aren't so vital. ... especially after 20 minutes waiting for tyres to be changed, that should be ready before the meeting starts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted Monday at 09:56 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:56 AM 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: ......I like the excitement of every race counting, not one more than others. That comment feels like déjà vu. We're back to talking about the GP scoring system if we're not careful (which has move even further away from this principle this year - qualify 10th and still have a chance of winning the meeting 😕) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Monday at 10:28 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:28 AM 29 minutes ago, False dawn said: That comment feels like déjà vu. We're back to talking about the GP scoring system if we're not careful (which has move even further away from this principle this year - qualify 10th and still have a chance of winning the meeting 😕) Well I don't like the GP scoring system either, but that's for another section of the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted Monday at 10:51 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:51 AM 14 hours ago, SteelShoe said: Chips were poor too. Curry sauce might have helped but they had run out of that. I've been on about the catering in previous threads over the last few seasons,it's been p..s poor ever since the old catering unit was replaced...curry sauce was second to none and the steak pie was to die for....not any more!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted Monday at 10:52 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:52 AM 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Like you said each to their own & I know many people like finals, but I don't get excited about them as I feel the meeting should've been won by Worrall. I guess I feel like Harris was winning a competition set up to give a second chance for people who weren't good enough to win over a fair 20 heat format. I don't get the logic of rewarding riders who were near the top, but not the best. "Finals exist to not only crown the most consistent performer, but also the person who can prove it under pressure" I can agree they may prove who is the better under pressure, but finals don't crown the most consistent performer, Harris was quite inconsistent. You make a fair point about the mental aspect of a low pressure qualifying system vs an all-on-the-line-final, but if there was no final, then there wouldn't be a low pressure qualifying system. I agree the final can make an exciting end to the meeting, however they do take away a bit of excitement from all of the rest of the races, fans know that the first 20 heats aren't so vital. In Worrall's last ride instead of being excited about watching the Championship decider, fans know it's just another heat. So is a final "creating" excitement or just "transfering" it from elsewhere? Finally I was a Rye House / Arena-Essex but now really a neutral fan. I like the excitement of every race counting, not one more than others. Worrall didn’t deserve to win the meeting; Harris did. Just like Harris and Howarth, despite finishing top of qualifying in the Pairs, didn’t deserve to win that title 24 hours earlier. Had there been no semi-finals or finals, the meeting would have been over by heat 17. Actually, even earlier because Worrall wouldn’t have had to finish in a scoring position in that heat to win it. He could have come last and he’d still finish ahead of Wright who won the race. By my calculations, that would actually have meant the meeting was over by heat 14. What would subsequently follow would be utterly unimportant, dead-rubbers heats. In no version of the sporting world is your suggestion any sort of improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Monday at 11:02 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:02 AM 5 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Worrall didn’t deserve to win the meeting; Harris did. Just like Harris and Howarth, despite finishing top of qualifying in the Pairs, didn’t deserve to win that title 24 hours earlier. Had there been no semi-finals or finals, the meeting would have been over by heat 17. Actually, even earlier because Worrall wouldn’t have had to finish in a scoring position in that heat to win it. He could have come last and he’d still finish ahead of Wright who won the race. By my calculations, that would actually have meant the meeting was over by heat 14. What would subsequently follow would be utterly unimportant, dead-rubbers heats. In no version of the sporting world is your suggestion any sort of improvement. So Mauger, Olsen and Briggs didn't deserve to win all those world titles because the meeting was over before heat 20, and someone finishing on 9pts was more deserving. Absolute tosh... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbackHalifax Posted Monday at 11:40 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:40 AM 4 hours ago, IainB said: ... especially after 20 minutes waiting for tyres to be changed, that should be ready before the meeting starts! Penny pinching causes this. Only the 6 qualifiers get a 2nd tyre. The two guys straight to the final then go out on a cold tyre that does not work as good as the semi finalists who have a warm tyre. All riders should get 2 tyres before the meeting and if that is not affordable then make the last chancers do an extra ride on their original tyre. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Monday at 12:00 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:00 PM 18 minutes ago, bringbackHalifax said: Penny pinching causes this. Only the 6 qualifiers get a 2nd tyre. The two guys straight to the final then go out on a cold tyre that does not work as good as the semi finalists who have a warm tyre. All riders should get 2 tyres before the meeting and if that is not affordable then make the last chancers do an extra ride on their original tyre. I can't understand it, everybody should have a 2nd tyre ready before the meeting, if it doesn't get used, just use it for the next meeting, it's not rocket science is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted Monday at 12:28 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:28 PM 1 hour ago, BluPanther said: So Mauger, Olsen and Briggs didn't deserve to win all those world titles because the meeting was over before heat 20, and someone finishing on 9pts was more deserving. Absolute tosh... This doesn’t even make sense. Of course Mauger and co. deserved to win their world titles; semi-finals and finals weren’t a part of those events, so who else would deserve to win said titles after twenty heats? Speedway has evolved and if you can’t see that, it’s your problem. No-one else’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Monday at 12:47 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:47 PM 7 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: This doesn’t even make sense. Of course Mauger and co. deserved to win their world titles; semi-finals and finals weren’t a part of those events, so who else would deserve to win said titles after twenty heats? Speedway has evolved and if you can’t see that, it’s your problem. No-one else’s. It's evolved so much for the better, that we are left with just a handful of teams in the top division, and greatly reduced attendance levels. Semi finals and finals for one off meetings are mickey mouse nonsense, in a mickey mouse sport... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted Monday at 02:16 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:16 PM 1 hour ago, BluPanther said: It's evolved so much for the better, that we are left with just a handful of teams in the top division, and greatly reduced attendance levels. Semi finals and finals for one off meetings are mickey mouse nonsense, in a mickey mouse sport... Are you seriously suggesting that individual tournament’s inclusion of semi-finals and finals is at fault for speedway’s fall from grace?😂 If your preference of twenty heats only had been applied yesterday, the meeting as a competition would have been over by heat fourteen. Worrall could have finished last in heat seventeen and he’d still have topped the standings. Can you imagine? BSN: ”Thanks for tuning in everyone. Steve Worrall is your CLRC winner and what will now follow is six heats that mean absolutely nothing; six dead rubber, exhibition races”.😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Monday at 02:28 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:28 PM 2 minutes ago, TheWellBehavedWorrall said: Are you seriously suggesting that individual tournament’s inclusion of semi-finals and finals is at fault for speedway’s fall from grace?😂 If your preference of twenty heats only had been applied yesterday, the meeting as a competition would have been over by heat fourteen. Worrall could have finished last in heat seventeen and he’d still have topped the standings. Can you imagine? BSN: ”Thanks for tuning in everyone. Steve Worrall is your CLRC winner and what will now follow is six heats that mean absolutely nothing; six dead rubber, exhibition races”.😂 You are not taking into account that riders wouldn't settle for thirds and seconds over a 20 heat meeting, the potential for more competitive races is obvious. If Worrall had won it after his 4th ride, then so be it, he deserved it. There are still rostrum places to ride for... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted Monday at 03:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:05 PM 34 minutes ago, BluPanther said: You are not taking into account that riders wouldn't settle for thirds and seconds over a 20 heat meeting, the potential for more competitive races is obvious. If Worrall had won it after his 4th ride, then so be it, he deserved it. There are still rostrum places to ride for... Ah, yes, second and third would still up for grabs. With the prospect of such a gripping finale, who would want to leave?😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Monday at 03:34 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:34 PM 3 hours ago, IainB said: I can't understand it, everybody should have a 2nd tyre ready before the meeting, if it doesn't get used, just use it for the next meeting, it's not rocket science is it? Was thinking the same,either that or the Organisers have 6 wheels with tyres on.Riders would just have too change sprockets.They would then take the rims back and keep them for future similar events. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted Monday at 03:41 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 03:41 PM I don't like the GP System. I believe that, to a point, Speedway lost it's soul following the scrapping of the 'one off' Final. I loved the 'one off' World Finals though. Excitement, tension, gnawed finger nails right through to the end of the Meeting. It was great in those days. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted Monday at 04:13 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 04:13 PM Anybody else think it was an advantage to ride in the semi final than go straight into the final as they have an edge with already being used.Well done Bomber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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