THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 22 minutes ago, Jon Boy said: The break even figure for costs is around £71 per ticket based on ticket sells of 7000. Double it to two events of 7000 then that drops to about £50 per head. This shows how much sponsors and TV money are subsidising the sport. Grants for Cardiff were about £200k a year from the Welsh Government. I seem to remember Manchester Council loaned up front £133k to allow SWC back when the stadium first opened. Hosting SGP isn’t cheap. Just because it’s moved from Cardiff many of the costs haven’t changed. Outside the rent of the stadium, the biggest cost is the laying of the track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 Sad day, really sad. The 3 home wins were as good as atmosphere as I can ever remember at any sports event Ive been to, Bomber in 2007 in particular. With regards to this being 'inevitable' I understand that but why was it ever put on the calendar? Its inexcusable really is. This lot keep making bold promises they do not keep and we now have a series in sub par stadiums with the only 2 riders that have a chance of beating BZ not allowed in the series its been a shambles. The business model is be propped up by Polish money and therefore they dictate what goes on. There will be a minimum 3 permanent Polish riders from 2026 onwards, will be 3-5 Polish GPs minimum, the PMZ will block Artem and Emil ever getting back into the series and unless a very wealthy individual decides they want to stage a GP in another country we will see no new venues. WBD have delivered on pretty much zero that they promised and its not a great surprise as I would assume none of them had even heard of speedway pre 2021... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 (edited) 2 Gps in Manchester is pointless too Edited December 20 by RPNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 (edited) and Id be suprised if they actually do the 2 GPs in one weekend anyway Edited December 20 by RPNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 What’s the crowd capacity of the Belle Vue stadium ? 5,000 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 10 minutes ago, RPNY said: 2 Gps in Manchester is pointless too It surprised me .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 So crowd capacity at Belle Vue raceway is 7000? Surprised it is so many having seen it on the TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Wow, there is a bundle of compassion right there If they were stupid enough to plan going to Cardiff then they get no sympathy from me. I hold that place responsible for the damage that's been to speedway credibility in recent years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: What we're seeing here is the death of World class Speedway in Britain. I cannot see a GP in this country after 2025 Personally can't see that happening whatsoever. Dropping Cardiff because of the expense shouldn't mean no GPs in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 3 minutes ago, R87 said: If they were stupid enough to plan going to Cardiff then they get no sympathy from me. I hold that place responsible for the damage that's been to speedway credibility in recent years. I sort of got that, I don’t agree but hey each to their own 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 5 hours ago, AceBelle said: Manchester city centre is on a 20 mins walk from staduim taxi 10 mins 2 massive football clubs also 2 visit for staduim tours maybe ? use you're imagination plenty to do !! Help me out here, because I've seen this stated a few times. I've been to, & stayed in Manchester many times and I will be there again on Sunday for football, so I'm familiar with the geography. Manchester Piccadilly is pretty much as south of the city cente within the ring road as you get. Google maps says its a 2.4 mile walk and 57 minutes from there to the Speedway stadium. I walk pretty quickly (for my age) but I reckon that's a 45 minute walk for me, so where in the city centre is it a 20 minute walk from? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MattB Posted December 20 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 20 (edited) The decision itself is not a huge surprise. I went to every Cardiff GP from 2001 to this year's, and 2024 did have the feel of a final visit. However, the way it's been handled stinks. If they had doubts about viability, then drop Cardiff when they set the calendar. To put it in, allow fans to arrange (expensive) accommodation etc, then move the goalposts three months later is a huge own goal. Edited December 20 by MattB Spelling 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 I feel there this could be good for the sport the ,attedance was greatly reduced from that of years ago at Cardiff so the demand for tickets will be less .This will allow for the reduced capacity of the NSS ,at the end of the day I go for the racing we have in the NSS one of the finest tracks in the world . The other thing is if Bewley dose not cleanup both nights ( 40 points) he's never going to be WC Imo ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 34 minutes ago, AFCB Wildcat said: Help me out here, because I've seen this stated a few times. I've been to, & stayed in Manchester many times and I will be there again on Sunday for football, so I'm familiar with the geography. Manchester Piccadilly is pretty much as south of the city cente within the ring road as you get. Google maps says its a 2.4 mile walk and 57 minutes from there to the Speedway stadium. I walk pretty quickly (for my age) but I reckon that's a 45 minute walk for me, so where in the city centre is it a 20 minute walk from? come out of NSS turn left walk down kirky lane ASDA will be on you're left turn turn right on main road towards mc/r royal hospital you are there near old BBC studios !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longmeadow Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 6 hours ago, R87 said: Good riddance. No sympathy for anyone that bought tickets and hotels for that disgraceful event. The day speedway stood up for itself and gave Wales miserable hole in tbe ground what it deserves 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 16 minutes ago, MattB said: The decision itself is not a huge surprise. I went to every Cardiff GP from 2001 to this year's, and 2024 did have the feel of a final visit. However, the way it's been handled stinks. If they had doubts about viability, then drop Cardiff when they set the calendar. To put it in, allow fans to arrange (expensive) accommodation etc, then move the goalposts three months later is a huge own goal. people should always check cancellation fees etc common sense really you may have to cancel yourself for personal reasons or even emergencys ?? always best to be covered if you have paid by credit card you should be covered ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 1 hour ago, old bob at herne bay said: So crowd capacity at Belle Vue raceway is 7000? Surprised it is so many having seen it on the TV it's 9/10 k like 2016 world cup !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 1 hour ago, RPNY said: and Id be suprised if they actually do the 2 GPs in one weekend anyway why what's to stop it ? just ran a 4 day son last year !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 (edited) 54 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: I sort of got that, I don’t agree but hey each to their own should always cover yourself insurance etc you might not be able to go for personal reasons or emergencys you never when booking in advance also if paid by credit card you should be ok ? Edited December 20 by AceBelle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 20 Report Share Posted December 20 4 minutes ago, AceBelle said: should always cover yourself insurance etc you might not be able to for personal reasons or emergencys you never when booking in advance also if paid by credit card you should be ok ? Again it’s not the point the guy was making, I understand and I’m sure everyone understands the pitfalls etc of booking something but that’s not why he doesn’t have sympathy for people who have booked 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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