Happy Hunter Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 Please see this link https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wsra-ndl/2025-ndl-ndt-rider-eligibility/ It made my head hurt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted December 5 Author Report Share Posted December 5 9 minutes ago, Happy Hunter said: Please see this link https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wsra-ndl/2025-ndl-ndt-rider-eligibility/ It made my head hurt! Simples.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 14 minutes ago, Happy Hunter said: Please see this link https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wsra-ndl/2025-ndl-ndt-rider-eligibility/ It made my head hurt! 4 minutes ago, M.D said: Simples.. Looks a good rule to me, especially with the 2 leagues. I'm still of the thought that the likes of Morley coming back in can only help youngsters with their development in these leagues. Jon Armstrong always springs to mind, all the help he gave to youngsters over the years in the NL, even though much the time he was a heat leader. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted December 5 Author Report Share Posted December 5 3 minutes ago, gazzac said: Looks a good rule to me, especially with the 2 leagues. I'm still of the thought that the likes of Morley coming back in can only help youngsters with their development in these leagues. Jon Armstrong always springs to mind, all the help he gave to youngsters over the years in the NL, even though much the time he was a heat leader. Exactly, Kent Eagles have said the side will be a mixture of youth and experience with the older heads helping develop the younger riders. They are also involved in the training days at Iwade along with Paul Hurry and Scott Nicholls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, gazzac said: Looks a good rule to me, especially with the 2 leagues. I'm still of the thought that the likes of Morley coming back in can only help youngsters with their development in these leagues. Jon Armstrong always springs to mind, all the help he gave to youngsters over the years in the NL, even though much the time he was a heat leader. Nonsense rules designed to help a select few riders who mostly should be looking to cope without the NDL/T safety net. Awkward with Morley, Kent will want him to do well but sail under the radar enough that he doesn't get offered a CL sport or he will have to vacate his Kent place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: Nonsense rules designed to help a select few riders who mostly should be looking to cope without the NDL/T safety net. Awkward with Morley, Kent will want him to do well but sail under the radar enough that he doesn't get offered a CL sport or he will have to vacate his Kent place. Wasn't that always the case back in the recent hayday of development in the NL when the likes of Brennen/ Flint/ Kemp etc were youngster's, when you and I thought it was a great league to be in with Kent and Eastie ? Just think a few of the older heads helped then, even the ones who found the NL to be their level/safety net? Morley and the like must be able to help with set ups/track craft etc now I would have thought. Edited December 5 by gazzac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted December 5 Author Report Share Posted December 5 The name is on the tin, development. Yes, I would think part of entering will be down to the desire to win, but as the management of the Kent Eagles are showing (I am no part of this management team) they are showing the desire to not only bring the sport back to the south east of England but also showing they are putting in the foundations of training new riders to the sport. Hats off to Michael and David. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 ‘Old hands’ have always been part of speedway development leagues. Makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 5 Report Share Posted December 5 (edited) 13 hours ago, HGould said: Apparently the rule change allows ONE rider with a CL average of between 4 and 6 points That rules Ablitt out. He has stated in the Speedway Star today that he will ride NDL for Scunthorpe / Sheffield but he would not be eleigble for Kent if morley is already signed. Could it be that Kent Eagles have had to soothe the Kent faction by signing Morley which mans they can't soothe the Eagles faction by having Ablitt of VJ-F. I guess they have to calculate if their supporter base is going to be roughly 50/50 or more one than the other? It's a fine balancing act they will need to get right. Logically there is no reason why they cannot attract regular NDL crowds for 600-700 from those 2 established supporter bases especially for a restricted number of Events. Now I've seen the rules, Kent could go with Ablitt & Morley. Any rider who rode in 24 is eligible for 25. Morley would be the only "4-6" rider. Edited December 5 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macky Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 I cannot see this set up working at all. Are the Eastbourne supporters going to travel 60-90 minutes to see their team and are the Kent/Canterbury/Sittingbourne supporters going to support their arch enemy Eastbourne as their team. It is going to need a lot of work and promoting. It does mean there is speedway in Kent but I suspect not for a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 12 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Now I've seen the rules, Kent could go with Ablitt & Morley. Any rider who rode in 24 is eligible for 25. Morley would be the only "4-6" rider. Ablitt's average is 5.04. So couldn't be in a team with Morley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 8 minutes ago, macky said: I cannot see this set up working at all. Are the Eastbourne supporters going to travel 60-90 minutes to see their team and are the Kent/Canterbury/Sittingbourne supporters going to support their arch enemy Eastbourne as their team. It is going to need a lot of work and promoting. It does mean there is speedway in Kent but I suspect not for a full season. I don't see a problem. It keeps a track open. Kent fans get a local team - the Kent Eagles - to watch. Eastbourne fans get an Eagles side to support, with the knowledge that this venture's end goal is to prove themselves before making a bid to bring speedway back to Eastbourne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 1 hour ago, macky said: I cannot see this set up working at all. Are the Eastbourne supporters going to travel 60-90 minutes to see their team and are the Kent/Canterbury/Sittingbourne supporters going to support their arch enemy Eastbourne as their team. It is going to need a lot of work and promoting. It does mean there is speedway in Kent but I suspect not for a full season. Sure it'll go all season at least with the set up at Iwade. I think every fan of Eastbourne and Kent realises this is a new venture and think it'll enhance the support. Distance maybe a problem for some, me included to go on a regular basis, but as said think spectator numbers will be good enough to make the project successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 10 hours ago, macky said: I cannot see this set up working at all. Are the Eastbourne supporters going to travel 60-90 minutes to see their team and are the Kent/Canterbury/Sittingbourne supporters going to support their arch enemy Eastbourne as their team. It is going to need a lot of work and promoting. It does mean there is speedway in Kent but I suspect not for a full season. They only have 3 guaranteed home Trophy fixtures, hopefully 4. Of course it's not gonna be a full season lol! Unless they run a LOT of challenge matches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 (edited) 10 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: Ablitt's average is 5.04. So couldn't be in a team with Morley. He can, the 4-6 point rider rule is for pre-2024. Anyone who rode this year is eligible for the development league in 25. Edited December 6 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 6 Report Share Posted December 6 9 hours ago, gazzac said: Sure it'll go all season at least with the set up at Iwade. I think every fan of Eastbourne and Kent realises this is a new venture and think it'll enhance the support. Distance maybe a problem for some, me included to go on a regular basis, but as said think spectator numbers will be good enough to make the project successful. So few matches these days, unless you're an Oxford fan. I'd assume fixtures may be spread out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 3 hours ago, szkocjasid said: He can, the 4-6 point rider rule is for pre-2024. Anyone who rode this year is eligible for the development league in 25. Anyone who rode NDL this year is eligible for the NDL in 2025, but a team can only use one rider who has a CL average over 4.00, so Kent couldn't track both Morley and Ablitt as both have CL averages over 4.00. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 (edited) 5 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: Anyone who rode NDL this year is eligible for the NDL in 2025, but a team can only use one rider who has a CL average over 4.00, so Kent couldn't track both Morley and Ablitt as both have CL averages over 4.00. A team can only declare ONE rider who has previously (prior to the 2024 season) achieved above a 4.00 Championship average and currently has a below 6.00 Championship average, and is not declared in a Championship or Premiership declaration. That is the ruling, one (4-6 / pre 2024) rider per team. Ablitt didn't have a 4+ average pre 2024, so isn't covered by this rule. Also means if Ablitt later got a Champ spot, wouldn't have to leave the development leagues. Edited December 7 by szkocjasid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGould Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 6 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: Anyone who rode NDL this year is eligible for the NDL in 2025, but a team can only use one rider who has a CL average over 4.00, so Kent couldn't track both Morley and Ablitt as both have CL averages over 4.00. 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: A team can only declare ONE rider who has previously (prior to the 2024 season) achieved above a 4.00 Championship average and currently has a below 6.00 Championship average, and is not declared in a Championship or Premiership declaration. That is the ruling, one (4-6 / pre 2024) rider per team. Ablitt didn't have a 4+ average pre 2024, so isn't covered by this rule. Also means if Ablitt later got a Champ spot, wouldn't have to leave the development leagues. The fact that two well respected members are having this discussion proves one thing. It's a TYPICAL half baked , finger in the dam, cock up from the BSPL to no doubt placate some one or others and in so doing just muddying the waters more and more. Only in Speedway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted December 7 Report Share Posted December 7 46 minutes ago, HGould said: The fact that two well respected members are having this discussion proves one thing. It's a TYPICAL half baked , finger in the dam, cock up from the BSPL to no doubt placate some one or others and in so doing just muddying the waters more and more. Only in Speedway! Good point, it should be easier to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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