New SGP Format.

[a4poster]

I have noted the new heat format for the SGP in 2025 with the inclusion of the last chance qualifiers (LC1 & LC2).  My question relates to the following, after 20 heats I realise the top two go straight through to the final, but of the remaining riders from 3 down to 10 go in which heats.

From here the two winners go into the final (Heat 23) to join the top two from the qualifying heats but which winner of (LC) qualifiers get the third and fourth pick of gate positions in the final.

Subsequently, how are the third and fourth place riders from these heats placed in the final standings?  For example, which of the two third and two fourth placed finishers are placed higher in the final standings.

Can anyone explain or point me in the direction of the rules.  The old format had a handy *.pdf you could download showing all the details.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Gambo]

The Regs have not been published yet. After the Cardiff 'difficulties' with a 5 rider tie, I think they might go with Race Times as a decider between Riders with identical points/places.

If so, it throws up the scenario where Rider A (2-2-2-0-2) has a last place time faster than any of Rider B's 2nd place times. (2-0-2-2-2), so all 4 race times will need to be logged for each heat for reference.

Edited November 29, 2024 by Gambo

[szkocjasid]

12 hours ago, Gambo said:

The Regs have not been published yet. After the Cardiff 'difficulties' with a 5 rider tie, I think they might go with Race Times as a decider between Riders with identical points/places.

If so, it throws up the scenario where Rider A (2-2-2-0-2) has a last place time faster than any of Rider B's 2nd place times. (2-0-2-2-2), so all 4 race times will need to be logged for each heat for reference.

I don't think they'd need to add any extra deciders, probably just stick with 2024 ranking.

[racers and royals]

12 hours ago, Gambo said:

The Regs have not been published yet. After the Cardiff 'difficulties' with a 5 rider tie, I think they might go with Race Times as a decider between Riders with identical points/places.

If so, it throws up the scenario where Rider A (2-2-2-0-2) has a last place time faster than any of Rider B's 2nd place times. (2-0-2-2-2), so all 4 race times will need to be logged for each heat for reference.

The 5 rider tie at Cardiff was only a problem due to their stupidity in not taking the head to head results between them.

surely  after 20 heats they need to classify the riders from 1-16

LC 1 should be 3, 6, 8, 9

LC 2 should be 4, 5, 7, 10

points for 2nd,3rd and 4th in LC semi’s will be done on higher ranking after 20 heats( if both finish race etc etc)

[szkocjasid]

15 hours ago, a4poster said:

I have noted the new heat format for the SGP in 2025 with the inclusion of the last chance qualifiers (LC1 & LC2).  My question relates to the following, after 20 heats I realise the top two go straight through to the final, but of the remaining riders from 3 down to 10 go in which heats.

From here the two winners go into the final (Heat 23) to join the top two from the qualifying heats but which winner of (LC) qualifiers get the third and fourth pick of gate positions in the final.

Subsequently, how are the third and fourth place riders from these heats placed in the final standings?  For example, which of the two third and two fourth placed finishers are placed higher in the final standings.

Can anyone explain or point me in the direction of the rules.  The old format had a handy *.pdf you could download showing all the details.

Thanks in advance.

 

I'm sure it'll be the same as this year, with 2nds, 3rds & 4ths ranked by points then most 3,2,1,0s followed by who heat who, then 2024 ranking.

I do feel it's a very unnecessary rule, can't see why they don't just count the heat points from the non-finalists? If 4 riders finish on 4 points, why can't they all get 4 GP points?

[bruno]

So a rider who as a rubbish meeting and finishes 10th can win the meeting, likewise a rider who finishes 3rd after 20 heats can end up with the points for finishing 9th I'm guessing. Not sure il bother watching next year

[BluPanther]

5 minutes ago, bruno said:

So a rider who as a rubbish meeting and finishes 10th can win the meeting, likewise a rider who finishes 3rd after 20 heats can end up with the points for finishing 9th I'm guessing. Not sure il bother watching next year

It's complete nonsense, isn't it...

[Gambo]

SGP - FIM Speedway - Rules

Fastest times for LCQ tied riders. 😉

[racers and royals]

33 minutes ago, Gambo said:

SGP - FIM Speedway - Rules

Fastest times for LCQ tied riders. 😉

As you are on a roll- i cannot see that it clarifies how the riders are allocated into LC 1 and LC 2. Do you know ?

The sensible  thing would be as i said yesterday.

[Gambo]

13 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

As you are on a roll- i cannot see that it clarifies how the riders are allocated into LC 1 and LC 2. Do you know ?

The sensible  thing would be as i said yesterday.

Compiling my updated Spreadsheet (only £13 for all 12 GP's😁), I have moved the qualifiers 2 places down from the 2024 format. I have made enquiries with Graham, Mike and Krister to see if they can get confirmation, before I make it available to purchase.

Edited December 1, 2024 by Gambo
Grammar

[racers and royals]

39 minutes ago, Gambo said:

Compiling my updated Spreadsheet (only £13 for all 12 GP's😁), I have moved the qualifiers 2 places down from the 2024 format. I have made enquiries with Graham, Mike and Krister to see if they can get confirmation, before I make it available to purchase.

What’s the price for 10 GP’s lol

[Gambo]

12 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

What’s the price for 10 GP’s lol

Future proofed! 2 Bonus SGP's are free.😁

[SpeedwayJoe]

I had a thought on the issue whilst watching Karlitos video on YouTube today.  It does seem farcical that the 10th place qualifier could win it.  Why don’t we do the following format (I added it to Karlito’s comments section in the video):

1st and 2nd go straight to final.

3rd and 4th go into a semi final.

Riders placed 5th-8th ride in a 'quarter final' where the top 2 progress into the semi-final.

This seems much fairer to me and would reward those who do well in the qualifying heats. The worst the 1st place rider after qualification would finish would be 4th and the worst position the 3rd place rider after qualification could finish would be 8th.
 

Any thoughts?

 

[SpeedwayJoe]

30 minutes ago, SpeedwayJoe said:

I had a thought on the issue whilst watching Karlitos video on YouTube today.  It does seem farcical that the 10th place qualifier could win it.  Why don’t we do the following format (I added it to Karlito’s comments section in the video):

1st and 2nd go straight to final.

3rd and 4th go into a semi final.

Riders placed 5th-8th ride in a 'quarter final' where the top 2 progress into the semi-final.

This seems much fairer to me and would reward those who do well in the qualifying heats. The worst the 1st place rider after qualification would finish would be 4th and the worst position the 3rd place rider after qualification could finish would be 8th.
 

Any thoughts?

 

EDIT:  6th.

[IainB]

How about we all turn the TV off after heat 20 and just keep our own scorecards? Whatever goes on after heat 20 is their own circus 🤔

[racers and royals]

Change announced today

Top 7 riders at the end of the GP season will qualify for 2026- thus reducing the wildcard picks by 1 to 3( 4 from challenge and SEC winner)

[IainB]

53 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

Change announced today

Top 7 riders at the end of the GP season will qualify for 2026- thus reducing the wildcard picks by 1 to 3( 4 from challenge and SEC winner)

I'm not sure anybody really cares anymore...

[E0F0]

The only idea, I can think of, where there's still a degree of "playoff"-BS, that doesn't **** complete *** would be something like: After the old school 15 heats (right?) the top 12 race one heat each, three heats total, with double the points. With those points added to the tally, the top 8 race one heat each, with triple the points, and at the end the top 4, quadruple the points. This way the real heats would still matter, but there'd be more of a high stakes finale or whatever.

Edited Saturday at 09:08 AM by E0F0

[ElmParkRG2]

Why bother with LQ1/2, semi finals, final? Just have 20 heats, the rider with the most points. That way the best rider on the night wins not someone who finishes with less points gained throughout the evening.