Two National Leagues in 25

[phillwhitewasmad]

3 minutes ago, Sargent10 said:

You know full well pal the reality of riders wanting to progress fell on its arse a few years ago, look at how many young lads are no longer riding, regulation amongst other reasons is because of that, and the rev limiters is a joke, how many riders are up to 13,500 revs at any time especially NDL lads, Andy your right rules are rules but as pointed out lots of people it’s not helping youngsters continue.

Would say a large percentage of the lads have it on the limit at the start and it's a god thing they are limited those who don't should aspire to as it's part of progression. Riders not wanting to progress is their issue but still need to follow the technical specifications. 

[Sargent10]

5 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Would say a large percentage of the lads have it on the limit at the start and it's a god thing they are limited those who don't should aspire to as it's part of progression. Riders not wanting to progress is their issue but still need to follow the technical specifications. 

I truly believe all the lads we know have always been wanting to progress otherwise there wouldn’t be a youth series, it’s after that it’s just more difficult I think, seeing both sides of the arguments lads say dad we will get through it and be great other lads have said o stuff it can’t be arsed with it anymore and good lads at that, lads that wanted to progress even further but were fed up with things around the sport, that’s more the point I’m making, we should be trying to make it work for everyone rather than a limited few otherwise we all know what outcome will come 

[Paulbooth]

38 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Don't get the debate about limiters and silencers it was put out in July this year and won't be needed till April next year surely any rider wanting to progress will of started to get the funds together already for this. And in reality lots of riders may not need exhaust as long as they are no older than 2022 on the point of limiters this has been on the back burner for years so isn't totally unexpected.

rules are rules no point whining about it let's just go with it

Still need one more silencer

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Which notable names are leaving I'm intrigued to know

Unless the rules have changed Sam Hagon, Joe Thompson, Nathan Ablitt, Luke Harrison & Jake Mulford won't be allowed to ride in the NDL any more.

[Binman]

2 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

Unless the rules have changed Sam Hagon, Joe Thompson, Nathan Ablitt, Luke Harrison & Jake Mulford won't be allowed to ride in the NDL any more.

I think we will see the same riders doubling up on both league's 

[phillwhitewasmad]

1 hour ago, Sargent10 said:

I truly believe all the lads we know have always been wanting to progress otherwise there wouldn’t be a youth series, it’s after that it’s just more difficult I think, seeing both sides of the arguments lads say dad we will get through it and be great other lads have said o stuff it can’t be arsed with it anymore and good lads at that, lads that wanted to progress even further but were fed up with things around the sport, that’s more the point I’m making, we should be trying to make it work for everyone rather than a limited few otherwise we all know what outcome will come 

Agree it's difficult after youth series but then it's real and riders regardless of who they are have to follow the rules. As a sport it can't keep running to the lowest common denominator as that's not how things work . Progress doesn't stop that's why the sport went from two valve to four then laydowns it's all about the edge you can gain

 

[phillwhitewasmad]

1 hour ago, Paulbooth said:

Still need one more silencer

So your forward planning give yourself a pat on the back and a cold beer mate 🤣

 

[Sargent10]

14 minutes ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

Agree it's difficult after youth series but then it's real and riders regardless of who they are have to follow the rules. As a sport it can't keep running to the lowest common denominator as that's not how things work . Progress doesn't stop that's why the sport went from two valve to four then laydowns it's all about the edge you can gain

 

Agree with that mate big time but haven’t we slightly missed the point that for some it’s still a part time job so too speak? So yeah championship level and above where the lads it’s there job, however we class that, below that level you’re hoping to get lads who might have full time jobs to comply with all the regulations that top tier riders have to deal with and then travel and ride for peanuts and be happy to try and as you said progress up, um as KK said I’m not sure but let’s see 

[phillwhitewasmad]

11 minutes ago, Sargent10 said:

Agree with that mate big time but haven’t we slightly missed the point that for some it’s still a part time job so too speak? So yeah championship level and above where the lads it’s there job, however we class that, below that level you’re hoping to get lads who might have full time jobs to comply with all the regulations that top tier riders have to deal with and then travel and ride for peanuts and be happy to try and as you said progress up, um as KK said I’m not sure but let’s see 

Travel and riding for peanuts is part of it mate . As you know we ride at championship level and money ain't great and have got clubs offering places at the agreed rates for national league which is worse it's not full time for us as it don't pay the lad gets up and goes scaffolding everyday to earn enough to invest in machinery whether that's engines exhaust or limiters. 
At no point at this stage do we expect to earn enough through racing to cover its cost 

 

[Paulbooth]

1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

So your forward planning give yourself a pat on the back and a cold beer mate 🤣

 

Might as well get them ready mate 

[IronScorpion]

20 hours ago, IronScorpion said:

Is this new regulations this year across all 3 leagues or just tied to National League as I have not seen it anywhere else?

I think there are 5 or 6 silencers to choose from in the 24 reg's & going by performance of the transponders used this last year, they were of a cheaper option & not as good as used abroad.

Why have I mentioned transponders? DOH!

[Sings4Speedway]

On 11/29/2024 at 6:32 PM, Binman said:

I think we will see the same riders doubling up on both league's 

Can't see any real benefit in any of thse mentioned doubling up again except perhaps Harrison and Foord who i believe is in the same boat. 

Covering off the aspiration element there are plenty of riders who have and do aspire to be successful in the NDL, just because they don't progress to higher leagues doesn't mean they haven't had meaningful riding careers. Last season teams were padded out with plenty of these riders but largely because they still had the kit. If any/all of these riders need 2 x ignition systems, 2 x silencers and potentially new bike covers on top of licence fee's etc for potentially 4H4A how many do you think will pass?

[RoundTheBoards]

On 11/29/2024 at 4:06 PM, Paulbooth said:

https://www.scbgb.co.uk/news.php?extend.191

Interesting rule there from the SCB.  

It says  "From the 2025 season it will be compulsory for all silencers (for 500cc and 250cc) to be dated a minimum of 4 years old."

So any silencer more than 4 years old is OK?   But you can't use a newer one that's not 4 years old or more?

Or do they mean silencers can be a Maximum of 4 years old?

 

 

[Sings4Speedway]

24 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Interesting rule there from the SCB.  

It says  "From the 2025 season it will be compulsory for all silencers (for 500cc and 250cc) to be dated a minimum of 4 years old."

So any silencer more than 4 years old is OK?   But you can't use a newer one that's not 4 years old or more?

Or do they mean silencers can be a Maximum of 4 years old?

 

 

Aww don't be mean about the weasel....he only got his gold star for counting up to 4 last week 😁 

[phillwhitewasmad]

1 hour ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Interesting rule there from the SCB.  

It says  "From the 2025 season it will be compulsory for all silencers (for 500cc and 250cc) to be dated a minimum of 4 years old."

So any silencer more than 4 years old is OK?   But you can't use a newer one that's not 4 years old or more?

Or do they mean silencers can be a Maximum of 4 years old?

 

 

it means any silencer dated pre 2022 cant be used

[RoundTheBoards]

1 hour ago, phillwhitewasmad said:

it means any silencer dated pre 2022 cant be used

I know what it is supposed to say.

But what it says is that silencers have to be at least 4 years old to be used.  So anything newer than 2021 can't be used.

 

[szkocjasid]

8 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said:

Interesting rule there from the SCB.  

It says  "From the 2025 season it will be compulsory for all silencers (for 500cc and 250cc) to be dated a minimum of 4 years old."

So any silencer more than 4 years old is OK?   But you can't use a newer one that's not 4 years old or more?

Or do they mean silencers can be a Maximum of 4 years old?

Imagine buying a new silencer, then putting it into your garage for 4 years until you're allowed to use it lol!

[PotteringAround]

It might be a cock-up from Neil Vatcher saying that silencers have to be a minimum of 4 years old, and it might be a problem for riders who have bought new silencers, but this rule is a good day for those who long to hear the roar of an old JAP or 70s Jawa 

[robolots]

Rev limiters are just daft to be a compulsory item - The engines on track are around 11K and the rev limiters are set at 13.5K. The damage to engines is being done mainly on the start line. Riders only have themselves to blame if they like starting with the bike bouncing off a limiter.  With the 250 lads we have been recommending a completely different set up to the normal as the 250 lads and lasses are bouncing off the limiter halfway down the straights. The amount of excuses we get from dads of the riders saying but they need to rev more etc etc!!

The silencer rule I can understand for Prem/Championship but not for U16's and NDL/NTL as the silencers have not changed since 2015. The only difference is going to be a date stamp. Lots of perfectly good silencers will now go in the bin.

RRP of a silencer is £270, so if 2 are needed then that is £540, then the cheapest way to get a rev limited set up is with a PVL system which if you already have, you only need to change the coil, but these are £170 each so another £340.

I fail to see how this is helping riders keep costs down when both of these requirements are not really needed.

Also, I know that there is currently a shortage of King Silencers as they just can't keep up with demand, so what happens then? Pretty much every rider here and abroad uses a King silencer. There are other makes but these are just not available.

[Sings4Speedway]

18 hours ago, robolots said:

Rev limiters are just daft to be a compulsory item - The engines on track are around 11K and the rev limiters are set at 13.5K. The damage to engines is being done mainly on the start line. Riders only have themselves to blame if they like starting with the bike bouncing off a limiter.  With the 250 lads we have been recommending a completely different set up to the normal as the 250 lads and lasses are bouncing off the limiter halfway down the straights. The amount of excuses we get from dads of the riders saying but they need to rev more etc etc!!

The silencer rule I can understand for Prem/Championship but not for U16's and NDL/NTL as the silencers have not changed since 2015. The only difference is going to be a date stamp. Lots of perfectly good silencers will now go in the bin.

RRP of a silencer is £270, so if 2 are needed then that is £540, then the cheapest way to get a rev limited set up is with a PVL system which if you already have, you only need to change the coil, but these are £170 each so another £340.

I fail to see how this is helping riders keep costs down when both of these requirements are not really needed.

Also, I know that there is currently a shortage of King Silencers as they just can't keep up with demand, so what happens then? Pretty much every rider here and abroad uses a King silencer. There are other makes but these are just not available.

Also is there a surplus of rev limiters as when it was attempted previously supply could not live with demand and the idea dropped. Even with double uppers and NDL/NTL being the same riders there needs to be 3-500 PVL coils available before the start of the season. Thats only rough maths with riders wanting 2/3 each and many will want way more than that, same would apply to sellectra.