brianbuck Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Heat 15 is more often than not, just a repeat of heat 13, and staging the fifteenth heat with nominated riders, undeniably gives a big advantage to the top heavy teams over those who have more evenly balanced sides. So I'm informed, Promoters in general want meetings to finish with a race between each team's best two riders - so surely the answer would be to scrap heat 15 and then reverse heats 13 and 14 so that the final race still theoretically features the four best riders of the evening, and by doing so, does away with this unfair advantage - and saves promoters' a bit of cash as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 21 minutes ago, brianbuck said: Heat 15 is more often than not, just a repeat of heat 13, and staging the fifteenth heat with nominated riders, undeniably gives a big advantage to the top heavy teams over those who have more evenly balanced sides. So I'm informed, Promoters in general want meetings to finish with a race between each team's best two riders - so surely the answer would be to scrap heat 15 and then reverse heats 13 and 14 so that the final race still theoretically features the four best riders of the evening, and by doing so, does away with this unfair advantage - and saves promoters' a bit of cash as well? ..... and saves 20 mins on the running time of the meeting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RS50 Posted November 11 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 11 And gives us even less racing for our money. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK62 Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 3 hours ago, brianbuck said: Heat 15 is more often than not, just a repeat of heat 13, and staging the fifteenth heat with nominated riders, undeniably gives a big advantage to the top heavy teams over those who have more evenly balanced sides. So I'm informed, Promoters in general want meetings to finish with a race between each team's best two riders - so surely the answer would be to scrap heat 15 and then reverse heats 13 and 14 so that the final race still theoretically features the four best riders of the evening, and by doing so, does away with this unfair advantage - and saves promoters' a bit of cash as well? So if heat 13 is a cracker you definitely don’t want to repeat it ! so replace it with a two man race ? You think a promoter wants to save a few quid but actually lose it because fans don’t want a reduction in proper four rider races and even more will turn their backs on the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Also if the meeting has gone it gives a chance for a "lesser rider" or a deserving rider a chance against 2 top guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 Bewley, Kurtz, Emil And Doyle, TWICE!!! What's not to like..? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 How about riders in heat 15 being nominated by opposing team managers? Could end up being a repeat of heat 2, but league speedway is supposed to be a team sport and it might encourage more balanced team building with strength in depth. Before anyone asks, no, I haven’t thought this through! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 35 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: How about riders in heat 15 being nominated by opposing team managers? Could end up being a repeat of heat 2, but league speedway is supposed to be a team sport and it might encourage more balanced team building with strength in depth. Before anyone asks, no, I haven’t thought this through! My thoughts for the Superheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 48 minutes ago, Teromaafan said: How about riders in heat 15 being nominated by opposing team managers? Could end up being a repeat of heat 2, but league speedway is supposed to be a team sport and it might encourage more balanced team building with strength in depth. Before anyone asks, no, I haven’t thought this through! You can tell…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 32 minutes ago, Fortythirtyeight said: You can tell…. Fair enough. Care to expand on why it would be a non starter? A team’s weakest rider having withdrawn through injury before heat 15 is an obvious flaw I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fortythirtyeight Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 10 hours ago, Teromaafan said: Fair enough. Care to expand on why it would be a non starter? A team’s weakest rider having withdrawn through injury before heat 15 is an obvious flaw I suppose. No….but your slowly getting the idea.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairboy Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 I like the current format. I don't have a problem with H15 being a re-run of H13. But I do hate it when there is a "super-heat" and the same riders can be chosen as H15. Wouldn't it give team managers something to think about if your H15 choices couldn't be used in a subsequent super-heat? Wouldn't it be great - for the riders, and the fans - if 2 of their weaker riders were given the chance to get the glory? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 19 minutes ago, Chairboy said: I like the current format. I don't have a problem with H15 being a re-run of H13. But I do hate it when there is a "super-heat" and the same riders can be chosen as H15. Wouldn't it give team managers something to think about if your H15 choices couldn't be used in a subsequent super-heat? Wouldn't it be great - for the riders, and the fans - if 2 of their weaker riders were given the chance to get the glory? I've thought this since day 1 and this should really be the discussion of this topic. Heat 15 is what it is, it's nominated, heat 13 isn't always guaranteed to be the "best" heat of the night, especially if your number 1 or 5 is having a bad night or gets injured, so leave that alone. The super heat should not involve any riders that have appeared in heat 15 imo, makes it more of a team result. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 As an Ipswich fan with the best top 2 in the league I like the idea of the superheat being 2 didn’t riders to heat 15 which might sound strange as Ipswich are almost nailed on for any superheat but I agree it would add a bit of spice Let’s say (somehow) Kings Lynn are 4 points up against Ipswich going into heat 15 …. I would bank on Jason and Emil to get two 5-1’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michanekman Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 Is that your idea Mr. Buck ... or your promoter's?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJA Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 There is lots of free random draw software available put seven home riders in one draw and all seven away riders in an another draw and let the ref do the draw for all 4 riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rearingtogo Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 (edited) No point at all for a heat 15 as you have explained your reasons and I agree also Edited November 14 by rearingtogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky_Mark Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 So let’s get rid of heats 2 and 7 as it gives an unfair advantage to teams who built with strong reserves? My point is that it’s up to each team how they build and they will have some heats stronger than others that should even up throughout the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 i look at this from another angle, is there any point in heat 13 i would go back to the old 13 heat format and have two nominated heats, allow the manager to have his top 5 ride where they want and then heat 15 might be the race of the night with the top four riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted November 14 Report Share Posted November 14 Slightly off topic, but I like the thought of a race that has the option of putting one or more of the 'top' guys from a handicap.... May be, also have an option that the team using the handicap, can request a 5 lap race ? As opposed to watching monotonous gate n go races! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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