89buttons Posted Friday at 05:34 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:34 PM 59 minutes ago, Mr Blobby said: How are some of these guys still classed as rising stars? 22/23 years old been riding championship 5/6 years now noting really rising about it really. The criteria is 23 and under on 1/3/25 and not a current 4.00 or above top flight average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Friday at 05:40 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 05:40 PM 4 minutes ago, 89buttons said: The criteria is 23 and under on 1/3/25 and not a current 4.00 or above top flight average. Slow Burners is an apt description for some them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted Friday at 06:40 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:40 PM 10 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Did the riders get a say in where they went ? Or was it just like rider allocation like back in the day, if I was a rider lacking in confidence the last place I’d want to go is a track like kings Lynn, nothing wrong with kings Lynn but you have to be on it to ride there Yeah but if you can conquer Lynn you can ride anything .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted Friday at 06:42 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:42 PM 8 hours ago, Aries said: We’ve heard this about Flint for the last how many years? He’s simply not progressing at all. Flint is going nowhere in the Premiership. Second string in the Championship is as good as he will get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Friday at 06:57 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 06:57 PM 1 hour ago, Fromafar said: Slow Burners is an apt description for some them. You don't get many riders that have ridden for five years becoming an "overnight sensation".. Jason Doyle is one I can think of, but he was a reserve in a much more competitive league at the time, so was well in front of the current RS level lads... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted Friday at 07:17 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 07:17 PM If Flint spends 10 years as a rising star, will he get a testimonial? 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 08:33 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:33 PM 1 hour ago, KIRKYLANE said: Flint is going nowhere in the Premiership. Second string in the Championship is as good as he will get. He's already been a heat leader in the Champ for a few seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 08:35 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:35 PM 4 hours ago, Mr Blobby said: How are some of these guys still classed as rising stars? 22/23 years old been riding championship 5/6 years now nothing really rising about it really. If you make the age limit younger / reduce how long you can be a rising star, then you'll weaken the system. Many fans think these riders are too weak for the Prem already, if you had to promote the next batch earlier, they'll be struggling more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 08:36 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:36 PM 5 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: So kings lynn end up with the rider that’s lost his bottle shutting off going into first bend. How unlucky can they be. Nothing unlucky about it, it was their choice, if they've made the wrong pick, they can only blame themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 08:41 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:41 PM If Cairns is in line to be Belle Vue's "rising star" when he turns 16, is that not harsh of Belle Vue to protect their use of Mulford? If Belle Vue have already decided Mulford is only getting half a season, would it not be fair to allow him to sign for another team & potentially get a full season? No guarantee someone else would've picked him, on which case Belle Vue would've got him anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Friday at 08:49 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:49 PM 5 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: If Cairns is in line to be Belle Vue's "rising star" when he turns 16, is that not harsh of Belle Vue to protect their use of Mulford? If Belle Vue have already decided Mulford is only getting half a season, would it not be fair to allow him to sign for another team & potentially get a full season? No guarantee someone else would've picked him, on which case Belle Vue would've got him anyway. I question whether or not the whole thing is just a waste of time.You have either got “it” or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 08:50 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 08:50 PM (edited) 2024 averages of the 2025 "rising stars" Leon Flint 3.66 (4.55) Jordan Jenkins 3.65 (4.83) Jason Edwards 3.55 (4.23) Ashton Boughen 2.74 (3.13) Luke Killeen 2.61 (3.83) Sam Hagon 1.77 (2.31) Jake Mulford 1.63 (2.07) RS not picked Dan Gilkes 3.31 (4.05) Joe Thompson 2.17 (2.33) Looking at these stats, it's surprising Belle Vue & Leicester chose to protect their "rising stars" plenty of stronger options available. Even more surprising Flint & Jenkins weren't picked up sooner. Edwards actually looks a good choice as he rode at 6 all season, then Jenkins as he rode half the season at 6. While many say Joe Thompson was no where near RS standard & I got laughed at for suggesting he ride for Leicester, statistically he did better than Hagon! Edited Friday at 08:52 PM by szkocjasid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted Friday at 09:16 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 09:16 PM 40 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: He's already been a heat leader in the Champ for a few seasons. His average this year is 6.87….. he may be in a heat leader spot but that is not an average of a true heat leader….I expect a minimum 8 average before anyone is a real heat leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Friday at 09:24 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 09:24 PM 49 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: He's already been a heat leader in the Champ for a few seasons. Do you think he will ever be a Heat leader in Premiership ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 09:35 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 09:35 PM 16 minutes ago, KIRKYLANE said: His average this year is 6.87….. he may be in a heat leader spot but that is not an average of a true heat leader….I expect a minimum 8 average before anyone is a real heat leader. Years ago that would've been the case, but there were only 13 riders with an average over 8 last season. With 9 clubs there should be 27 heat leaders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Friday at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 09:38 PM 12 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Do you think he will ever be a Heat leader in Premiership ? Flint might get there, but doesn't seem too likely at his current rate of progression. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Friday at 10:00 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:00 PM 3 hours ago, Trees said: Yeah but if you can conquer Lynn you can ride anything .... I don’t think the track is his problem, I just think it will magnify it but if he can overcome his issue KL will have a match winner in their ranks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted Friday at 10:34 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 10:34 PM 4 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Riders develop at different rates ... Jenkins looks as though he could make excellent progress ...we shall see. World Champions and world class riders 22/23 of age: Michael Lee Champion 22, Peter Collins Champion 22, Kelly Moran 4th in 79 world final 19, Tommy Knudsen 3rd 81 world final 20, Kelvin Tatum 3rd 86 world final 22, I could carry on all night! Take Connor Coles and Jack Smith last night, they looked a pair of complete novices. I don't know how long he's been riding but Connor is 30 years of age. Jack is 24. Do you think these two will eventually develop? They have rode most of their careers in the NDL. Now because the CL is so weak they find themselves riding in the CL outclassed on a regular basis, only beating riders who themselves are of NDL standard. The CL, we are getting told will most likely be weaker again next season !!! I bet the entrance fee won’t reflect on that though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted Saturday at 06:50 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 06:50 PM 22 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Nothing unlucky about it, it was their choice, if they've made the wrong pick, they can only blame themselves. You really believe that it is done on a pick basis.Not in my opinion,as I said earlier Lynn would have wanted Jenkins or Flint and that is a fact. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted Saturday at 07:21 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:21 PM 22 hours ago, szkocjasid said: If Cairns is in line to be Belle Vue's "rising star" when he turns 16, is that not harsh of Belle Vue to protect their use of Mulford? If Belle Vue have already decided Mulford is only getting half a season, would it not be fair to allow him to sign for another team & potentially get a full season? No guarantee someone else would've picked him, on which case Belle Vue would've got him anyway. What happens if Jake Mulford has a great start to the season, doubling his average and becomes the darling of the Aces fans due to his all action style, how do they justify dropping him. Same at Poole where young Cairns is rumoured to be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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