E0F0 Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 (edited) Bit of an ignorant question here - I suppose all questions arise from some degree of ignorance - but I know about Wolverhampton Olympique's special handicap system, and the Golden Helmet of Pardubice having 6 riders per heat, so I'm wondering whether other meetings have (had) their own special rules to make them stand out? Perhaps you've even daydreamt up some hypothetical ones yourselves... Edited October 5 by E0F0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 16 Lapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E0F0 Posted October 6 Author Report Share Posted October 6 4 hours ago, IainB said: 16 Lapper Wow! Where did they do that? I know they did a 6 rider 6 lap final at the chocolate race in Vojens, but 16 laps..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 1 minute ago, E0F0 said: Wow! Where did they do that? I know they did a 6 rider 6 lap final at the chocolate race in Vojens, but 16 laps..! Used to have it at Ippo, until relativity recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E0F0 Posted October 6 Author Report Share Posted October 6 4 minutes ago, IainB said: Used to have it at Ippo, until relativity recently Oh, that's sad... Just for the final and just 4 riders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, E0F0 said: Oh, that's sad... Just for the final and just 4 riders? I never actually saw one, I think the final may have had 8 riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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arnieg Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 One day I'll explain the scoring system for the EAST COAST US OPEN. But right now I don't have an hour to spare. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 There was some cracking racing to day at Pardubice and a six man six lap Final. I thought and hoped Ryan Douglas would win but he seemed to tire a bit after four laps and Rasmus Jensen came storming through to take the helmet. Some very close races made it an entertaining meeting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E0F0 Posted October 6 Author Report Share Posted October 6 (edited) 20 minutes ago, jrs said: There was some cracking racing to day at Pardubice and a six man six lap Final. I thought and hoped Ryan Douglas would win but he seemed to tire a bit after four laps and Rasmus Jensen came storming through to take the helmet. Some very close races made it an entertaining meeting to watch. I believe that meeting has its own thread Edited October 6 by E0F0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Here are the 2023 results:- US Open National Championship Action Park East, 2 September & Champion, 3 September    Day 1 heats  Day 1 Finals  Day 2 heats  Cum Day 2 Finals Fin Overall   1 2 3 4 Pts D C B A D1 1 2 3 4 Pts Pts F1 F2 F3 F4 Pts Pts 1 Bradley Wilson-Dean 3 3 3 3 12    4 16 2 3 2 3 10 26 10 10 1 7 28 54 2 Chris Kerr 2 2 3 3 10    3 15 2 3 3 2 10 25 1 5 5 10 21 46 3 Casey Donholt 1 2 1 3 7   3 1 13 3 3 1 2 9 22 3 3 10 5 21 43 4 Broc Nicol 3 3 3 2 11    0 12 3 3 3 3 12 24 7 7 3 1 18 42 5 Dillon Ruml 2 3 2 3 10    2 14 1 2 3 2 8 22 5 1 7 3 16 38 6 Slater Lightcap 2 2 0 2 6   1  10 1 2 2 3 8 18 3    11 29 7 Adam Mittl 2 3 3 2 10   2  11 3 1 2 1 7 18 2    10 28 8 Brian Hollenbeck 0 2 1 1 4  3   8 3 0 2 2 7 15 1    9 24 9 Spencer Portararo 3 1 2 2 8   0  9 0 2 0 3 5 14 r    6 20 10 Mike Cortese 1 0 2 1 4  1   6 1 0 0 1 2 8 3    8 16 11 Levi Harris 0 1 1 1 3  2   7 0 1 0 1 2 9 2    7 16 12 Caleb Stewart 3 0 2 0 5  0   5 0 1 3 1 5 10 fx    5 15 13 Lenny McBride 1 1 0 r 2 3    4 0 2 1 0 3 7 3    4 11 14 Redmond Bohannon 1 r 1 0 2 2    3 2 1 1 0 4 7 2    3 10 15 Jerry Harman           2 0 – 0 2 2 1    2 4 16 Dave Pieper 0 1 0 1 2 ns    2 1 0 0 0 1 3 0    1 4 17 Mikey Buman 0 fn – – 0 ns    1      1      1  Dave Oakden             1  1 1      1  Logan McGrane   0 `0 0 1    –            –  1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 (edited) 7 hours ago, IainB said: I never actually saw one, I think the final may have had 8 riders It was a double grid. As I recall, the 4 lowest scoring qualifiers started at the tapes, with the 4 highest scorers starting further behind (maybe 30 yards). I can't completely remember how the points worked, but I think it was something like 16-14-12-10-8-6-4-2, with the riders starting off the back getting 2 bonus points. Edited October 6 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E0F0 Posted October 6 Author Report Share Posted October 6 30 minutes ago, arnieg said: Here are the 2023 results:- US Open National Championship Action Park East, 2 September & Champion, 3 September    Day 1 heats  Day 1 Finals  Day 2 heats  Cum Day 2 Finals Fin Overall   1 2 3 4 Pts D C B A D1 1 2 3 4 Pts Pts F1 F2 F3 F4 Pts Pts 1 Bradley Wilson-Dean 3 3 3 3 12    4 16 2 3 2 3 10 26 10 10 1 7 28 54 2 Chris Kerr 2 2 3 3 10    3 15 2 3 3 2 10 25 1 5 5 10 21 46 3 Casey Donholt 1 2 1 3 7   3 1 13 3 3 1 2 9 22 3 3 10 5 21 43 4 Broc Nicol 3 3 3 2 11    0 12 3 3 3 3 12 24 7 7 3 1 18 42 5 Dillon Ruml 2 3 2 3 10    2 14 1 2 3 2 8 22 5 1 7 3 16 38 6 Slater Lightcap 2 2 0 2 6   1  10 1 2 2 3 8 18 3    11 29 7 Adam Mittl 2 3 3 2 10   2  11 3 1 2 1 7 18 2    10 28 8 Brian Hollenbeck 0 2 1 1 4  3   8 3 0 2 2 7 15 1    9 24 9 Spencer Portararo 3 1 2 2 8   0  9 0 2 0 3 5 14 r    6 20 10 Mike Cortese 1 0 2 1 4  1   6 1 0 0 1 2 8 3    8 16 11 Levi Harris 0 1 1 1 3  2   7 0 1 0 1 2 9 2    7 16 12 Caleb Stewart 3 0 2 0 5  0   5 0 1 3 1 5 10 fx    5 15 13 Lenny McBride 1 1 0 r 2 3    4 0 2 1 0 3 7 3    4 11 14 Redmond Bohannon 1 r 1 0 2 2    3 2 1 1 0 4 7 2    3 10 15 Jerry Harman           2 0 – 0 2 2 1    2 4 16 Dave Pieper 0 1 0 1 2 ns    2 1 0 0 0 1 3 0    1 4 17 Mikey Buman 0 fn – – 0 ns    1      1      1  Dave Oakden             1  1 1      1  Logan McGrane   0 `0 0 1    –            –  Huh... So day 1 points are given for overall standing, with placement finals of four for the bottom 12, where the winner of the 5-8 final joins the top 4 in a 5 rider final. Then on day 2 normal heat points get added to the total. Then the day 2 finals look like they begin with a 16 rider heat, which seems like a bit much... But what actually happens is that the bottom 12(?) have placement finals and get points based on the overall standing from those. Whereas the top 5 race four heats of five with a special points system, the points from which get added to the previous points total to determine the winner... Somewhat strange, I must say... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Arena-Essex used to have a 12 lapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 30 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Arena-Essex used to have a 12 lapper. With 8 riders, the same as the Ipswich 16 lapper. I think Arena ran it over 12 laps just to make it different to the Ipswich race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 On 10/5/2024 at 11:48 AM, E0F0 said: Bit of an ignorant question here - I suppose all questions arise from some degree of ignorance - but I know about Wolverhampton Olympique's special handicap system, and the Golden Helmet of Pardubice having 6 riders per heat, so I'm wondering whether other meetings have (had) their own special rules to make them stand out? Perhaps you've even daydreamt up some hypothetical ones yourselves... Peter Craven at Belle Vue. https://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.11236 Daydreaming - 1 lap dash as that’s all that’s needed in modern day speedway at most tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, ouch said: Peter Craven at Belle Vue. https://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.11236 Daydreaming - 1 lap dash as that’s all that’s needed in modern day speedway at most tracks. Stoke used to occasionally put on some one lap dashes as a 2nd "half" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 12 hours ago, E0F0 said: I believe that meeting has its own thread It certainly does, however just commenting on the difference of normal regs and a certain event and how enjoyable it was this weekend. Just a bit of deviation. 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 9 hours ago, E0F0 said: Huh... So day 1 points are given for overall standing, with placement finals of four for the bottom 12, where the winner of the 5-8 final joins the top 4 in a 5 rider final. Then on day 2 normal heat points get added to the total. Then the day 2 finals look like they begin with a 16 rider heat, which seems like a bit much... But what actually happens is that the bottom 12(?) have placement finals and get points based on the overall standing from those. Whereas the top 5 race four heats of five with a special points system, the points from which get added to the previous points total to determine the winner... Somewhat strange, I must say... In the interests of space the Day 2 B, C, D Finals are all in the same column. Some years the top 4 go into the A finals along with winner of B final (like day 1).  What I find oddest is that heat points only determine which final you go into on day 1, but count towards overall totals on day 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 2 hours ago, ouch said: Peter Craven at Belle Vue. https://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.11236 Daydreaming - 1 lap dash as that’s all that’s needed in modern day speedway at most tracks. Edinburgh used to have a 'De'il tak the hindmost' competition with five riders on a one lapper with the last over the line eliminated until one rider left. This happened until officialdom decided the could not run it as there were five riders starting from the gate and only four were allowed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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