Youhave2minutes Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 (edited) Sheffield 3 J Holder, C Holder & T Woffinden Belle Vue 2. B Kurtz & D Bewley Leicester. 2. M Fricke & S Masters. Ipswich. 2. J Doyle & E Sayfutinov. Oxford. 2 R Tungate & M Jankowski. all 4 teams finished in the top four, and to me it was obvious they would. Oxford never really got going with Jankowski only coming good at the end when it was too late. Leaving Kings Lynn and Birmingham the bottom 2 clubs who decided half way through the season to bring in one big hitter which was not enough and far too late. building a balanced side throughout goes to prove that doing so will lose you matches when you hit heat 13 & 15. coming up to the big hitters. If you have 1 decent second string and 1 decent reserve that’s all you need to back the big boys up.Heat advantages would be fruitful and win you matches. What’s your thoughts ? Edited October 4 by Youhave2minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 Having two big hitters in the Premier league requires a large part of your budget..which some teams may not be able to afford. The hardest part is to set a suitable team limit that allows teams of reasonable equality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 4 Author Report Share Posted October 4 16 minutes ago, KIRKYLANE said: Having two big hitters in the Premier league requires a large part of your budget..which some teams may not be able to afford. The hardest part is to set a suitable team limit that allows teams of reasonable equality. Can’t afford then drop down a division. Not fair to the fans of those clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 29 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: Can’t afford then drop down a division. Not fair to the fans of those clubs So that would leave a 4 team Premier division. Might get a bit boring after the third match 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 In 1964 there only seven teams in the National league ( top league )….. only 2 teams are still going now. The following year the NL and the provincial league combined with 17 teams forming the British League… home and away once with a Ko cuo A vital step made whereby the sport revived itself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 4 Author Report Share Posted October 4 7 minutes ago, Sir Sidney said: So that would leave a 4 team Premier division. Might get a bit boring after the third match Then amalgamation would be the only way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sidney Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 Just now, Youhave2minutes said: Then amalgamation would be the only way forward. Wouldn't that make it even worse for the teams with money, who woukd have to reduce strength even more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 4 Author Report Share Posted October 4 Let’s face it if you are a Kings Lynn or Birmingham supporter you would be jarred off if your team building in 2025 is about the same as 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enotian Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 22 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: Sheffield 3 J Holder, C Holder & T Woffinden Belle Vue 2. B Kurtz & D Bewley Leicester. 2. M Fricke & S Masters. Ipswich. 2. J Doyle & E Sayfutinov. Oxford. 2 R Tungate & M Jankowski. all 4 teams finished in the top four, and to me it was obvious they would. Oxford never really got going with Jankowski only coming good at the end when it was too late. Leaving Kings Lynn and Birmingham the bottom 2 clubs who decided half way through the season to bring in one big hitter which was not enough and far too late. building a balanced side throughout goes to prove that doing so will lose you matches when you hit heat 13 & 15. coming up to the big hitters. If you have 1 decent second string and 1 decent reserve that’s all you need to back the big boys up.Heat advantages would be fruitful and win you matches. What’s your thoughts ? it's a no brainer isn't it. The top two get an extra ride (nominated heat 15, plus a potential TR) and they're in all bar 6 of the 15 heats so you need two top riders otherwise you concede 8 points across heat 13 and 15 and can't get a heat advantage in 7 of the other heats. arguably you could go for strength in depth to secure an 8 point advantage across heats 2 and 8 but as soon as you have a 'rising star' restriction or whatever it's been over the years, you nullify the strength in depth option. I've said for years, if you restrict the reserves you got to restrict the top two, i.e. only one rider averaging over 8 or 9 whatever top men average these days. It makes complete financial sense as well, as demand outweighs supply but clubs that can afford two of them will never vote for it as it's a huge advantage. The heat format is so regulated these days there's basically no point in turning up if you've not got two top riders. Especially when you can have guest riders for missing top riders so there's no jeopardy in putting all your eggs in the top two basket. Although Ipswich would argue that point as they'd have walked the title this season if they'd been able to replace Doyle and Sayfutdinov satisfactorily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 On 10/4/2024 at 4:30 PM, KIRKYLANE said: In 1964 there only seven teams in the National league ( top league )….. only 2 teams are still going now. The following year the NL and the provincial league combined with 17 teams forming the British League… home and away once with a Ko cuo A vital step made whereby the sport revived itself How would that approach work today when half of the riders in each of the top two divisions are double uppers? Where will all the additional riders come from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W9 Lion Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Teromaafan said: How would that approach work today when half of the riders in each of the top two divisions are double uppers? Where will all the additional riders come from? it simply would not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 9 Author Report Share Posted October 9 (edited) On 10/9/2024 at 12:56 PM, W9 Lion said: Oh well Edited November 15 by Youhave2minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted November 10 Author Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) It’s all happening Edited November 15 by Youhave2minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 3 minutes ago, Goneforgood said: THREAD NOW CLOSED It isn't! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 1 hour ago, RoundTheBoards said: It isn't! I agree. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byeall Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 Personal attacks have caused Youhave2minutes to resign. The offenders know who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted November 19 Author Report Share Posted November 19 But you can never hold a bull down😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 (edited) 23 hours ago, Youhave2minutes said: But you can never hold a bull down😂 Do you mean 'Bulls***ter??? 🙄 Genuine question. Edited November 20 by The White Knight Spelling etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 On 10/4/2024 at 4:30 PM, KIRKYLANE said: In 1964 there only seven teams in the National league ( top league )….. only 2 teams are still going now. The following year the NL and the provincial league combined with 17 teams forming the British League… home and away once with a Ko cuo A vital step made whereby the sport revived itself 1965 is always mentioned as a defining moment in the framework of league racing - and it was. Would it work today I doubt it - not enough riders and vested interests (financial) way above what was then with rider control able to dictate team strengths rather than averages. A ‘second’ division wasn’t established then so new riders only had second halves and open meetings to get experience. It took the second division to bring about the revival in the sport. I recently attended the Eastbourne v Lakeside match at Iwade run with 6 man teams over 12 heats. Then 3 heats of bottom , middle and top scorer and made for an interesting match but with more scribbling of course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted November 27 Report Share Posted November 27 6 hours ago, Glen said: I recently attended the Eastbourne v Lakeside match at Iwade run with 6 man teams over 12 heats. Then 3 heats of bottom , middle and top scorer and made for an interesting match but with more scribbling of course! That was the NORA format they had to go with but yes, a good format to watch.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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