IainB Posted November 11 Report Share Posted November 11 So we're now in the situation whereby we have a ridiculous scoring system because the winner of the GP MUST have the most amount of points but that winner could have finished 10th in the qualifying heats! Utter madness! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 22 hours ago, IainB said: So we're now in the situation whereby we have a ridiculous scoring system because the winner of the GP MUST have the most amount of points but that winner could have finished 10th in the qualifying heats! Utter madness! i'm sure BZ will adjust his strategy accordingly ,I can only assume it is aimed at him as the rest of the riders a fairly evenly matched IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 10 hours ago, FAST GATER said: i'm sure BZ will adjust his strategy accordingly ,I can only assume it is aimed at him as the rest of the riders a fairly evenly matched IMO. With the new rules Zmarzlik could've won the British GP, finished 10th & missed the semi finals, next year he'd still be in the meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 I've got a good idea. After the 20 heats, all 16 riders qualify for the quarter finals, the winner of each race goes through to the final. That way, the rider who finishes last after 20 heats can still have a chance of winning the Grand Prix. Sounds fair to me. i was thinking of suggesting this to the powers that be, but decided against it as they will probably adopt it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregularisback Posted November 12 Report Share Posted November 12 7 minutes ago, norbold said: I've got a good idea. After the 20 heats, all 16 riders qualify for the quarter finals, the winner of each race goes through to the final. That way, the rider who finishes last after 20 heats can still have a chance of winning the Grand Prix. Sounds fair to me. i was thinking of suggesting this to the powers that be, but decided against it as they will probably adopt it. I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCB Wildcat Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 On 11/11/2024 at 12:51 PM, IainB said: So we're now in the situation whereby we have a ridiculous scoring system because the winner of the GP MUST have the most amount of points but that winner could have finished 10th in the qualifying heats! Utter madness! I'm not sure what they're trying to achieve with this change. On the one hand, I suppose it guarantees that the top scorer in the qualifying heats is in the final, with the first gate pick, which is fairer than having to qualify through the semis. On the other hand, going through 20 heats, just to eliminate 6 riders, seems a step too far for me. If they want to award GP points based on finishing position, rather than points scored in the heats, perhaps they could go back to the old 'A' final, 'B' final system. Top 4 qualify for the 'A' final, 4 to 8 for the 'B' final etc. At least that would prevent anyone outside the top 4 point scorers from the heats winning the GP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 If they want top two in final just have a semi with 3 to 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerToft Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 Who remember their presentation back in Torun 2021 where they talked about this "new era of speedway". One thing they mentioned was that they had no intention on changing the format. 'The format is already perfect'. Here we are few years later and now it's completely ruined... good job. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted November 13 Report Share Posted November 13 2 hours ago, RacerToft said: now it's completely ruined... good job. Could not agree more ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 Maybe it's time for the series to be called the Grand Prix Invitational Open, rather than the World Championship. It's missing top riders due to the tail (PZM) wagging the dog (FIM / Discovery), plus the rules are now more fitting of It's A Knockout than a genuine World Championship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 On 11/12/2024 at 11:25 PM, norbold said: I've got a good idea. After the 20 heats, all 16 riders qualify for the quarter finals, the winner of each race goes through to the final. That way, the rider who finishes last after 20 heats can still have a chance of winning the Grand Prix. Sounds fair to me. i was thinking of suggesting this to the powers that be, but decided against it as they will probably adopt it. And how about each rider being able to select a round where they can score double points? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 There's a lot wrong with speedway especially British speedway but the changes are farcical. 20 heats 2 semis and a final and riders get the points scored in each heat seemed ok to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 On 11/13/2024 at 7:50 AM, bruno said: If they want top two in final just have a semi with 3 to 6 One of the "pros" of the new system is that the last chance heats should be more exciting than the semi finals, because only the winners advance, so you will no longer get someone happy to sit on second place & protect their position. I'd suggest 1-3 into the final & 4-7 into a semi final & only the winner advancing would be a better system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 6 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: One of the "pros" of the new system is that the last chance heats should be more exciting than the semi finals, because only the winners advance, so you will no longer get someone happy to sit on second place & protect their position. I'd suggest 1-3 into the final & 4-7 into a semi final & only the winner advancing would be a better system. I suggest they run 20 heats, with run offs for rostrum places. Make every point count and dump the never ending 'systems'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted Sunday at 10:05 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 10:05 AM 14 hours ago, szkocjasid said: One of the "pros" of the new system is that the last chance heats should be more exciting than the semi finals, because only the winners advance, so you will no longer get someone happy to sit on second place & protect their position. I'd suggest 1-3 into the final & 4-7 into a semi final & only the winner advancing would be a better system. Or you could have the leader cleared off in the distance with a great scrap for 2nd being pointless, 4th place giving up early. Just seems to be a change made in the hope that Zmarzlik might miss a few finals to give a closer title race. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted Sunday at 11:02 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:02 AM The GP series now using all the F1 sayings like P1, LCP1, Q1, FP1 gets right on my wick, I’ve got one for them FO 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted Monday at 06:51 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:51 PM On 11/13/2024 at 9:10 AM, RacerToft said: Who remember their presentation back in Torun 2021 where they talked about this "new era of speedway". One thing they mentioned was that they had no intention on changing the format. 'The format is already perfect'. Here we are few years later and now it's completely ruined... good job. 100% Spot on. The new rules are utter garbage - If you want to open the opportunities up for the final ; do the Top 2 straight through and 3-6th place in Final Run off. This new format is dross !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted Tuesday at 09:13 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:13 AM FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship - Qualifying Meetings 7/6, Qualifying round, Zarnovica, SK 7/6, Qualifying round, Lonigo, IT 9/6, Qualifying round, Abensberg, DE 9/8, Challenge, Holsted, DK FIM SGP2 World Championship - Qualifying Meetings 24/5, Qualifying round, Pardubice, CZ 24/5, Qualifying round, Glasgow, GB 24/5, Qualifying round, Debrecen, HU FIM SGP3 World Championship - Semi-finals 24/5, Semi-final 1, Krško, SI 24/5, Semi-final 2, Krško, SI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted Tuesday at 10:52 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:52 AM 1 hour ago, DutchGrasstrack said: FIM Speedway Grand Prix World Championship - Qualifying Meetings 7/6, Qualifying round, Zarnovica, SK 7/6, Qualifying round, Lonigo, IT 9/6, Qualifying round, Abensberg, DE 9/8, Challenge, Holsted, DK FIM SGP2 World Championship - Qualifying Meetings 24/5, Qualifying round, Pardubice, CZ 24/5, Qualifying round, Glasgow, GB 24/5, Qualifying round, Debrecen, HU FIM SGP3 World Championship - Semi-finals 24/5, Semi-final 1, Krško, SI 24/5, Semi-final 2, Krško, SI Having the Challenge after the final GP was such a success that they have changed it back !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted Tuesday at 12:30 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:30 PM 1 hour ago, racers and royals said: Having the Challenge after the final GP was such a success that they have changed it back !!!! At least it's still held at a track that will NEVER EVER host a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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