SUPERACE Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, IainB said: Percentage wise Lions pee all over the Aces 😁 In what way🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Just a reminder - 1971, the last time the league title was fought out between these clubs. Next week and it was back to Hyde Road for the Aces against the Leicester Lions. Leicester were good that year and were running Belle Vue close at the top of the league. They had England's top rider in Ray Wilson and were a real threat. Ivan Mauger was away in Poland with Barry Briggs preparing for the World Pairs at Rybnik, so Belle vue drafted in the experienced Ronnie Moore as a guest. The match was tight and tense, with never more than four points between the teams, and going into heat twelve the Aces held a slender two point lead. The next race turned things Leicester's way as reserve Ken Eyre came in for the poorly performing Belle Vue captain Tommy Roper, and Ronnie Moore failed to finish. Leicester heat leaders John Boulger and Graham Plant took a 5-1 to put the Lions in front. The tension steadily increased in the build up to heat thirteen. Belle Vue Aces had not been beaten at home since 14th September 1968. I had never seen them lose (other than over two legs of the Knock-Out Cup Final). Defeat was unthinkable. As the riders took the start Belle Vue's highest scoring rider of the night Dave Hemus broke the tapes and was excluded. The tension racked up another notch. Young reserve Alan Wilkinson took his place alongside Soren Sjosten, but they were up against Leicester skipper Wilson and the experienced Alan Cowland. Belle Vue needed a 4-2 just to draw, and a 5-1 to win. This was going to be tough. As Sjosten lead, Wilkinson was last, and in a do or die effort to pass Cowland round the outside he crashed in the pits bend safety fence. The race was stopped "in the interests of safety", and Alan Wilkinson excluded as the cause of the stoppage. Enraged, and clearly feeling that Cowland had pushed him out towards the fence and the point of no return, Wilkinson grabbed the Leicester man as he rode back to the pits. Before anyone knew what was happening fists were flying, speedway riders were hitting other speedway riders, mechanics were hitting other mechanics, and some spectators not wanting to be left out jumped over the fence and started hitting anyone that wasn't already being hit by someone else. The Champions Book of Speedway Number Three has a Wright Wood photo of Wilkie being held back by Leicester's Malcolm Brown while Ray Wilson wrestles Alan Cowland away. At the same time Graham Plant applies a smart left jab to someone's chin. Speedway prides itself on its all-inclusive family atmosphere. That night the speedway family all got included in a right old punch up. Needless to say it was rather distressing. We'd all gone that night, Mum, Dad, Helen and me. Not only that but we'd decided to watch from the standing area near the pits, right where the melee took place. I was shaking. I just had enough grip of my green biro to write "2 mins" against the remaining three riders' names. Such was the delay in getting the heat completed the referee excluded everyone. Things calmed down and the second half was completed as normal. Alan Wilkinson fell off in his heat, and Alan Cowland finished last in his. Maybe they'd had enough excitement for one night. From 'Speedway Ruined my Toffee Apple' by Ian Harwood on the speedwayplus website. Well remember that meeting Wilkie losing it and the police escort out of the stadium 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 14 hours ago, IainB said: That's because you're never in any finals 😜 Welcome to the big time! Think you have finally lost you're mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 14 hours ago, IainB said: Wasn't their last title before that in the last century?!? Before global warming 😂😂 BC waiting on Leicester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 13 hours ago, RoundTheBoards said: I believe their last play-off final before 2021 was 2016, and then 2015. 2021 lost to dad's army peterboro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 27 Author Report Share Posted September 27 3 hours ago, IainB said: Percentage wise Lions pee all over the Aces 😁 Deluded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Just a reminder - 1971, the last time the league title was fought out between these clubs. Next week and it was back to Hyde Road for the Aces against the Leicester Lions. Leicester were good that year and were running Belle Vue close at the top of the league. They had England's top rider in Ray Wilson and were a real threat. Ivan Mauger was away in Poland with Barry Briggs preparing for the World Pairs at Rybnik, so Belle vue drafted in the experienced Ronnie Moore as a guest. The match was tight and tense, with never more than four points between the teams, and going into heat twelve the Aces held a slender two point lead. The next race turned things Leicester's way as reserve Ken Eyre came in for the poorly performing Belle Vue captain Tommy Roper, and Ronnie Moore failed to finish. Leicester heat leaders John Boulger and Graham Plant took a 5-1 to put the Lions in front. The tension steadily increased in the build up to heat thirteen. Belle Vue Aces had not been beaten at home since 14th September 1968. I had never seen them lose (other than over two legs of the Knock-Out Cup Final). Defeat was unthinkable. As the riders took the start Belle Vue's highest scoring rider of the night Dave Hemus broke the tapes and was excluded. The tension racked up another notch. Young reserve Alan Wilkinson took his place alongside Soren Sjosten, but they were up against Leicester skipper Wilson and the experienced Alan Cowland. Belle Vue needed a 4-2 just to draw, and a 5-1 to win. This was going to be tough. As Sjosten lead, Wilkinson was last, and in a do or die effort to pass Cowland round the outside he crashed in the pits bend safety fence. The race was stopped "in the interests of safety", and Alan Wilkinson excluded as the cause of the stoppage. Enraged, and clearly feeling that Cowland had pushed him out towards the fence and the point of no return, Wilkinson grabbed the Leicester man as he rode back to the pits. Before anyone knew what was happening fists were flying, speedway riders were hitting other speedway riders, mechanics were hitting other mechanics, and some spectators not wanting to be left out jumped over the fence and started hitting anyone that wasn't already being hit by someone else. The Champions Book of Speedway Number Three has a Wright Wood photo of Wilkie being held back by Leicester's Malcolm Brown while Ray Wilson wrestles Alan Cowland away. At the same time Graham Plant applies a smart left jab to someone's chin. Speedway prides itself on its all-inclusive family atmosphere. That night the speedway family all got included in a right old punch up. Needless to say it was rather distressing. We'd all gone that night, Mum, Dad, Helen and me. Not only that but we'd decided to watch from the standing area near the pits, right where the melee took place. I was shaking. I just had enough grip of my green biro to write "2 mins" against the remaining three riders' names. Such was the delay in getting the heat completed the referee excluded everyone. Things calmed down and the second half was completed as normal. Alan Wilkinson fell off in his heat, and Alan Cowland finished last in his. Maybe they'd had enough excitement for one night. From 'Speedway Ruined my Toffee Apple' by Ian Harwood on the speedwayplus website. Mauger away in Poland and only preparing at that?!? Guest brought in... and some think this is just a modern day problem! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofclubs Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 Can we pay cash for admission on the night or online only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 Can’t really have the same banter with the Lions fans as you sort of feel please for them being in the final whilst at the same time wanting to beat them. If it was say Poole, Coventry, Wolves or Sheffield you can have ago about them cheating or the fact their track is gate’n’go. Say gate’n’go to a Lions fan and they agree with you. Maybe we could both set up a re enactment society and recreate the 1971 Battle of Hyde Rd during the interval. I’m playing Wilkie. I hope the weather issues can be overcome and we get a decent 2nd leg and not just a going through the motions event, that would be a disservice to both teams. Fingers crossed with the track and that everyone has a safe meeting. Very civilised. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 41 minutes ago, ouch said: Can’t really have the same banter with the Lions fans as you sort of feel please for them being in the final whilst at the same time wanting to beat them. If it was say Poole, Coventry, Wolves or Sheffield you can have ago about them cheating or the fact their track is gate’n’go. Say gate’n’go to a Lions fan and they agree with you. Maybe we could both set up a re enactment society and recreate the 1971 Battle of Hyde Rd during the interval. I’m playing Wilkie. I hope the weather issues can be overcome and we get a decent 2nd leg and not just a going through the motions event, that would be a disservice to both teams. Fingers crossed with the track and that everyone has a safe meeting. Very civilised. We'll take a pity victory all day long 😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 As an Ipswich fan I’m not worried out of these two who wins just hope for a good meeting …. It’s as long as Sheffield and Poole done win anything then all is good lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 7 hours ago, bellevueace said: Well remember that meeting Wilkie losing it and the police escort out of the stadium Same here, I was 11 and a veteran having spent 5 years being at Hyde Rd every Saturday, never seen anything like what happened that night, before or since. Wilkie was absolutely livid and you just knew he wasn't going to let Cowland get back into the pits. It's still one of my abiding childhood memories even though I've forgotten so much and can't recall what I did yesterday. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-this-was-the-scene-at-belle-vue-after-an-amazing-flare-up-in-the-aces-83754512.html RIP Wilkie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 7 hours ago, IainB said: Mauger away in Poland and only preparing at that?!? Guest brought in... and some think this is just a modern day problem! The night a 4 year old mikebv had his first hero... Wilkie....😎 A "proper leader".. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 4 minutes ago, mikebv said: The night a 4 year old mikebv had his first hero... Wilkie....😎 A "proper leader".. You wouldn't find Wilkie away in Poland preparing for a meeting! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 (edited) 6 minutes ago, IainB said: You wouldn't find Wilkie away in Poland preparing for a meeting! Indeed.... The days when it truly "meant something"... And teams had riders who became synonymous with that team... Reg Wilson - Sheffield Ray Wilson - Leicester Terry Betts - Kings Lynn Eric Boocock - Halifax.. And many, many more.. One rider - One Team... Edited September 27 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 (edited) i was 11 yrs old stood on entrance to third bend saw it all unfold, very exciting.🤣, never would have thought at the time i would go on to win 2 Alan Wilkinson trophy's in 2nd half's at Elsmere port. think 80 and 81. Edited September 27 by gjcone44 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 11 hours ago, arnieg said: Just a reminder - 1971, the last time the league title was fought out between these clubs. Next week and it was back to Hyde Road for the Aces against the Leicester Lions. Leicester were good that year and were running Belle Vue close at the top of the league. They had England's top rider in Ray Wilson and were a real threat. Ivan Mauger was away in Poland with Barry Briggs preparing for the World Pairs at Rybnik, so Belle vue drafted in the experienced Ronnie Moore as a guest. The match was tight and tense, with never more than four points between the teams, and going into heat twelve the Aces held a slender two point lead. The next race turned things Leicester's way as reserve Ken Eyre came in for the poorly performing Belle Vue captain Tommy Roper, and Ronnie Moore failed to finish. Leicester heat leaders John Boulger and Graham Plant took a 5-1 to put the Lions in front. The tension steadily increased in the build up to heat thirteen. Belle Vue Aces had not been beaten at home since 14th September 1968. I had never seen them lose (other than over two legs of the Knock-Out Cup Final). Defeat was unthinkable. As the riders took the start Belle Vue's highest scoring rider of the night Dave Hemus broke the tapes and was excluded. The tension racked up another notch. Young reserve Alan Wilkinson took his place alongside Soren Sjosten, but they were up against Leicester skipper Wilson and the experienced Alan Cowland. Belle Vue needed a 4-2 just to draw, and a 5-1 to win. This was going to be tough. As Sjosten lead, Wilkinson was last, and in a do or die effort to pass Cowland round the outside he crashed in the pits bend safety fence. The race was stopped "in the interests of safety", and Alan Wilkinson excluded as the cause of the stoppage. Enraged, and clearly feeling that Cowland had pushed him out towards the fence and the point of no return, Wilkinson grabbed the Leicester man as he rode back to the pits. Before anyone knew what was happening fists were flying, speedway riders were hitting other speedway riders, mechanics were hitting other mechanics, and some spectators not wanting to be left out jumped over the fence and started hitting anyone that wasn't already being hit by someone else. The Champions Book of Speedway Number Three has a Wright Wood photo of Wilkie being held back by Leicester's Malcolm Brown while Ray Wilson wrestles Alan Cowland away. At the same time Graham Plant applies a smart left jab to someone's chin. Speedway prides itself on its all-inclusive family atmosphere. That night the speedway family all got included in a right old punch up. Needless to say it was rather distressing. We'd all gone that night, Mum, Dad, Helen and me. Not only that but we'd decided to watch from the standing area near the pits, right where the melee took place. I was shaking. I just had enough grip of my green biro to write "2 mins" against the remaining three riders' names. Such was the delay in getting the heat completed the referee excluded everyone. Things calmed down and the second half was completed as normal. Alan Wilkinson fell off in his heat, and Alan Cowland finished last in his. Maybe they'd had enough excitement for one night. From 'Speedway Ruined my Toffee Apple' by Ian Harwood on the speedwayplus website. This is quite poignant as I've just heard that Malcolm Brown has passed away aged 89 at his home in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 (edited) 23 hours ago, SUPERACE said: In what way🤣 Well... since the introduction of the pay offs in 2002 BV have proven themselves to be habitual losers, you've made 5 appearances and only won 1. Lions on the other hand 2 finals (at CL level) won 1 lost 1 (at KL!). So by my calculations Lions have a 50% success rate, while the Aces have an 80% failure rate... so maybe you do win the percentages 😁 Edited September 28 by IainB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 13 hours ago, nw42 said: Same here, I was 11 and a veteran having spent 5 years being at Hyde Rd every Saturday, never seen anything like what happened that night, before or since. Wilkie was absolutely livid and you just knew he wasn't going to let Cowland get back into the pits. It's still one of my abiding childhood memories even though I've forgotten so much and can't recall what I did yesterday. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-this-was-the-scene-at-belle-vue-after-an-amazing-flare-up-in-the-aces-83754512.html RIP Wilkie. I was sat in the block right above the incident, imagine seeing that passion in a league match today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 11 hours ago, 40-38 said: This is quite poignant as I've just heard that Malcolm Brown has passed away aged 89 at his home in the US. Sad news i remember him well RIP, im glad we are not facing that Leicester team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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