cowboy cookie returns? Posted Sunday at 07:04 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:04 AM 19 hours ago, IainB said: I also think Leicester is quite a peculiar track and takes quite some mastering even from some of the more experienced riders, so bringing in these riders with little to no experience of it is not helping. To have a Cubs/Fox's team and not be developing through that is a big mistake, the club seems to have alienated the 2 best riders from that system in the Thompsen's and Cairns inexplicably wants to plough his furrow elsewhere. The club made a big thing about the signings of Mountain & Perry, they don't even seemingly come into the equation. Mr Dickson seems to like to wear his ruthlessness as a badge of honour and has mentioned that he's not afraid to make a change a number of times in the media... how about just getting it right from the start? 🤔 Not always the case. Emil broke the track record the the first time he rode it. The Leicester track is a little like Ipswich some riders are beaten by it before they arrive. Quality, talent & throttle control will always shine through at Leicester & Ipswich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 07:35 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:35 AM 28 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Not always the case. Emil broke the track record the the first time he rode it. The Leicester track is a little like Ipswich some riders are beaten by it before they arrive. Quality, talent & throttle control will always shine through at Leicester & Ipswich. I did say some... and Sam Hagon is certainly no Emil Sayfutidinov (yet). It's essential to be making starts at both of these tracks and Sam just wasn't with the others out of the starts... even when he occasionally was, he was soon passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Sunday at 08:54 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:54 AM 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: Not always the case. Emil broke the track record the the first time he rode it. The Leicester track is a little like Ipswich some riders are beaten by it before they arrive. Quality, talent & throttle control will always shine through at Leicester & Ipswich. Agreed. Aces performances at Ipswich prior to the cup shambles was WWWLLW, one of our better away tracks. Leicester is a happy hunting ground too with a Championship and a Pairs being claimed there. You know your speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted Sunday at 12:04 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:04 PM On 4/19/2025 at 12:39 PM, IainB said: and Cairns inexplicably wants to plough his furrow elsewhere. What are you finding inexplicable? Everyone else understands it. For a few years now Cairns has been wanting to ride at the best track in the country as soon as he was old enough. It's a track he likes, and he rides well. It's the British track which is most similar to the Polish tracks. It's the British track which will host the Grand Prix and other world events. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 12:15 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 12:15 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, PotteringAround said: What are you finding inexplicable? Everyone else understands it. the best track in the country as soon as he was old enough. It's a track he likes, and he rides well. It's the British track which is most similar to the Polish tracks. It's the British track which will host the Grand Prix and other world events. Erm... his dad bought the club. And why do foreign riders come over to ride in the UK? It's not to pin the throttle around the NSS, it's certainly not for the money, it's to ride the Ippo's, Birmingham's, King's Lynn's, Leicester's etc. To make them better technical riders. Edited Sunday at 01:28 PM by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 01:52 PM 1 hour ago, IainB said: Erm... his dad bought the club. And why do foreign riders come over to ride in the UK? It's not to pin the throttle around the NSS, it's certainly not for the money, it's to ride the Ippo's, Birmingham's, King's Lynn's, Leicester's etc. To make them better technical riders. I know this is the wrong league but talking about technical/tricky tracks to ride, Cairns said that is why he chose Poole in the Champ. He said that he didn't want to go to Glasgow as it is 'too easy'. So maybe in the Prem he wants it a little easier as a bit more tougher to start in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Sunday at 02:07 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:07 PM 14 minutes ago, LisaColette said: So maybe in the Prem he wants it a little easier as a bit more tougher to start in? And what better track than Leicester... that sorts the men out from the throttle jockey boys 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PotteringAround Posted Sunday at 03:01 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:01 PM 2 hours ago, IainB said: Erm... his dad bought the club. I must've missed that rule in sport that says you have to give up your dreams if your dad buys a club. Imagine David Beckham being all ready to sign for Manchester United and then his dad comes along and buys Charlton Athletic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Sunday at 03:08 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:08 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, IainB said: And what better track than Leicester... that sorts the men out from the throttle jockey boys 😁 Spot on. I don’t think league meetings there will see the opposition score 44 or more this year, aside from the self proclaimed league champions elect, that is. I can’t see any other opposing club posting 2 maximums (paid or otherwise) at Leicester as The Aces did last year. You know your speedway. Who knows, if William gets to ride for The Aces for a decent amount of time he will gain the necessary skills to max out at Leicester. Speaking of Max what a brilliant number 1 he is for Leicester following his move from the NSS. 3rd best home rider using SS stats on 10.22 behind Holder 10.32 & Tai 10.27. Edited Sunday at 03:20 PM by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Sunday at 03:28 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 03:28 PM 17 minutes ago, ouch said: Spot on. I don’t think league meetings there will see the opposition score 44 or more this year, aside from the self proclaimed league champions elect, that is. I can’t see any other opposing club posting 2 maximums (paid or otherwise) at Leicester as The Aces did last year. You know your speedway. Who knows, if William gets to ride for The Aces for a decent amount of time he will gain the necessary skills to max out at Leicester. Speaking of Max what a brilliant number 1 he is for Leicester following his move from the NSS. 3rd best home rider using SS stats on 10.22 behind Holder 10.32 & Tai 10.27. When it really matters in a play off final, brilliant number one's don't go missing... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted Sunday at 04:26 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:26 PM 56 minutes ago, BluPanther said: When it really matters in a play off final, brilliant number one's don't go missing... Better not tell Jack holder 2 pts in 1st leg at NSS 2022 and Fricke 4pts 2024 1st leg at NSS 🤣😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Sunday at 06:56 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 06:56 PM 3 hours ago, BluPanther said: When it really matters in a play off final, brilliant number one's don't go missing... Max would have needed to score a 30 point maximum for the lions to win the tie by 2 points in a last heat decider. It takes a very special rider to do that and the fact Max didn’t shouldn’t see him vilified. Max was absolutely not the reason the lions lost the tie but he was absolutely the reason they were there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted Sunday at 07:21 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:21 PM 24 minutes ago, ouch said: Max would have needed to score a 30 point maximum for the lions to win the tie by 2 points in a last heat decider. It takes a very special rider to do that and the fact Max didn’t shouldn’t see him vilified. Max was absolutely not the reason the lions lost the tie but he was absolutely the reason they were there in the first place. Are you related to Max? You're taking this very personal. Fricke was a disaster in last year's final. He's not in the same league as Doyle and Emil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:30 PM 22 minutes ago, ouch said: Max would have needed to score a 30 point maximum for the lions to win the tie by 2 points in a last heat decider. It takes a very special rider to do that and the fact Max didn’t shouldn’t see him vilified. Max was absolutely not the reason the lions lost the tie but he was absolutely the reason they were there in the first place. Fricke got 11pts over two legs, and the Lions lost by 25 pts. What maths are you using exactly ? If Fricke had taken another 13pts off the opposition over the two legs, Leicester win. I would expect a 'brilliant' number one to get 12 points a meeting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, BluPanther said: Fricke got 11pts over two legs, and the Lions lost by 25 pts. What maths are you using exactly ? If Fricke had taken another 13pts off the opposition over the two legs, Leicester win. I would expect a 'brilliant' number one to get 12 points a meeting... It’s the maths where you move Max up and everyone moves down, including his team mate. A 5-1 to the lions with Max in second would remain a 5-1. A 5-1 to The Aces with Max last would change to a 3-3, so it plus 2 to the lions not 3. Go through the programme and move Max up in his heats and let me know what you get. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/belle-vue-aces-v-leicester-lions/ https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/leicester-lions-v-belle-vue-aces-4/ Edited Sunday at 07:47 PM by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Sunday at 08:12 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:12 PM 28 minutes ago, ouch said: It’s the maths where you move Max up and everyone moves down, including his team mate. A 5-1 to the lions with Max in second would remain a 5-1. A 5-1 to The Aces with Max last would change to a 3-3, so it plus 2 to the lions not 3. Go through the programme and move Max up in his heats and let me know what you get. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/belle-vue-aces-v-leicester-lions/ https://britishspeedway.co.uk/event/leicester-lions-v-belle-vue-aces-4/ I see what you mean, but that's a very random and speculative method... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:56 PM 44 minutes ago, BluPanther said: I see what you mean, but that's a very random and speculative method... It’s the opposite of random as placing Max in first place in every race is what’s required to suit your argument. It’s not speculative, its just the maths required to see lions win. This is the problem for me. I unreasonably think everyone on a speedway forum should have the same forensic knowledge of the history and statistics of the sport, especially when it’s now all available with a few clicks. Apologies if I appear short with you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Sunday at 09:44 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:44 PM 36 minutes ago, ouch said: It’s the opposite of random as placing Max in first place in every race is what’s required to suit your argument. It’s not speculative, its just the maths required to see lions win. This is the problem for me. I unreasonably think everyone on a speedway forum should have the same forensic knowledge of the history and statistics of the sport, especially when it’s now all available with a few clicks. Apologies if I appear short with you. Race placings could have been very different for everyone in his races, it's not as simple as putting Fricke 'up' a place. Too many variables, and the bottom line is Fricke was terrible and that possibly had an effect on the team as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted yesterday at 08:26 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:26 AM I think most lions fans can agree that our main weaknesses since we've moved to the prem is lack major support for Fricke and decent reserves. Fricke is a fine rider for us but when things do go his way, it seems no one else can step up. Same can be said with our middle order, it's strong but inconsistent and when we need help from our 6 and 7, it never comes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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