Happy Hunter Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 19 minutes ago, ouch said: There’s a case for handicap racing there then. If some riders struggle then get them out first and the “good” rides can pass them. Personally it matters not how good or bad a rider is at these so called technical tracks, if you don’t gate you don’t win - simple. Jake’s as wobbly as you’re going to get at this stage in his career but if he gates at these technical tracks he gets points. Makes me laugh how NSS can be deemed a throttle jockey track when it’s the most technical out there from a speedway racing point of view due to the amount of lines to either guard or mount an attack. If technical is popping out of the gate and sitting on THE line a la scalextic shows more skill than moving around the track effectively then I’m happy to leave them in their happy ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 Just now, Happy Hunter said: According to the Lion's FB page, Pidcocks Motorcycles have gone bust. I don't know how that will affect Lion's team building plans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 51 minutes ago, ouch said: Makes me laugh how NSS can be deemed a throttle jockey track when it’s the most technical out there from a speedway racing point of view due to the amount of lines to either guard or mount an attack. If technical is popping out of the gate and sitting on THE line a la scalextic shows more skill than moving around the track effectively then I’m happy to leave them in their happy ignorance. I'd say that the NSS is probably the most technical track in regards to bike setup, riding ability not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 (edited) 36 minutes ago, IainB said: I'd say that the NSS is probably the most technical track in regards to bike setup, riding ability not so much. You do learn to NOT lock a bike up, but instead let it "flow" through the bends to keep speed and momentum up.. And learn to use different entry and exit lines each lap to mess up the rider behind who may be thinking about a pass.. A good learning ground for those who will develop onto the international stage, where these type of wide tracks are more the norm than the old "technical tracks" of yesteryear in the UK.. The ones that "you had to learn to ride to be the best in the world".. Those few meetings Zmarzlik did at Brum must have worked wonders!!!!😁 Edited October 22 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Roads Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 If we all review this forum so many people have commented about the track over the years inc myself,prob is to make wider needs big construction get rid of back straight stand or move the temp stands back. Who is going to pay for this work. A sport with an ever decreasing fan base someone with no worries about return. We all know why was so a£;t in the first place and arrogance gets you know always listen to your paying customer…?So we either accept sporadic good racing or simply don’t attend. Choice is ours…. Sadstate of affairs but reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 3 hours ago, IainB said: I'd say that the NSS is probably the most technical track in regards to bike setup, riding ability not so much. Jake helps make a good point about the technical aspect of the sport. His home average inc bonus is only 0.67 whilst away it’s 3.20. Jake probably feels more comfortable on the technical tracks you might say. He’s a long track world champion, the very epitome of throttle jockey so that doesn’t wash. He’s probably not got the all important set up right for the NSS. Every Aces RS is given an engine tuned and set up specifically for use at the NSS. It’s not just delivered in a box either, time is spent setting everything up and trialing it to suit, so it’s not that either. The difference is clear, he currently doesn't have the technical riding aspect in place just yet so he is easily swallowed up at the NSS by opponents who are more technically proficient than him. His gating is as good at the NSS as it is away but the luxury away is he can pop out and just ride round without fear of being overtaken as these passing opportunities are not available on other tracks. To dismiss the NSS as a throttle jockey track is a major disservice plus a big misunderstanding of the intricacies of a good technical racetrack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 5 hours ago, Happy Hunter said: According to the Lion's FB page, Pidcocks Motorcycles have gone bust. I don't know how that will affect Lion's team building plans! Not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieb1 Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, Happy Hunter said: According to the Lion's FB page, Pidcocks Motorcycles have gone bust. I don't know how that will affect Lion's team building plans! where nothing on there gotta link Edited October 22 by davieb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teromaafan Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 53 minutes ago, davieb1 said: where nothing on there gotta link Just Googled it. They went into administration yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 16 hours ago, ouch said: Jake helps make a good point about the technical aspect of the sport. His home average inc bonus is only 0.67 whilst away it’s 3.20. Jake probably feels more comfortable on the technical tracks you might say. He’s a long track world champion, the very epitome of throttle jockey so that doesn’t wash. He’s probably not got the all important set up right for the NSS. Every Aces RS is given an engine tuned and set up specifically for use at the NSS. It’s not just delivered in a box either, time is spent setting everything up and trialing it to suit, so it’s not that either. The difference is clear, he currently doesn't have the technical riding aspect in place just yet so he is easily swallowed up at the NSS by opponents who are more technically proficient than him. His gating is as good at the NSS as it is away but the luxury away is he can pop out and just ride round without fear of being overtaken as these passing opportunities are not available on other tracks. To dismiss the NSS as a throttle jockey track is a major disservice plus a big misunderstanding of the intricacies of a good technical racetrack. I think you've just proved my point there that it's all about setup around the NSS, many riders I've listened to over the years have said as much. Also possibly proved by Belle Vue's less than stellar away record. When the NSS first opened it was a pretty fair race track and Aces didn't have much home advantage, as the home side have got "dialled in" over the years it's become much more of a fortress. 2 of the most technically talented riders in the UK struggle around the NSS, Scott Nicholls and Chris Harris, Harris in particular can blow hot and cold during the same meeting, looking like a World Champ one race and trailing in badly at the back next time out! You're not telling me that's because of lack of technical ability? So for me it may very well be a mechanically technical track but certainly not in respect to riding ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeandTV Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 20 hours ago, Happy Hunter said: According to the Lion's FB page, Pidcocks Motorcycles have gone bust. I don't know how that will affect Lion's team building plans! Crikey. That's not ideal. A good revenue stream gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 18 hours ago, Cross Roads said: If we all review this forum so many people have commented about the track over the years inc myself,prob is to make wider needs big construction get rid of back straight stand or move the temp stands back. Who is going to pay for this work. A sport with an ever decreasing fan base someone with no worries about return. We all know why was so a£;t in the first place and arrogance gets you know always listen to your paying customer…?So we either accept sporadic good racing or simply don’t attend. Choice is ours…. Sadstate of affairs but reality. I'm not sure you need to move stands around etc. Any further remedial works would need to take place on the existing foot print of the current track (not that it will ever happen by the way), so the only real room for any manoeuvre would be to shorten the track around the kerb and/or sort the banking out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 36 minutes ago, IainB said: I'm not sure you need to move stands around etc. Any further remedial works would need to take place on the existing foot print of the current track (not that it will ever happen by the way), so the only real room for any manoeuvre would be to shorten the track around the kerb and/or sort the banking out. Improving bends 3&4 with appropriate banking would appear the most obvious given any adjustment to the curb would involve additional work on the drainage system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 looking beyond the track, cannot see for health and safety reasons how the promotion got away how the pit area was assembled. Where the home and away areas are facing one another with a narrow walkway between the two. Surely they are blowing exhaust fumes at one another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, IainB said: I think you've just proved my point there that it's all about setup around the NSS, many riders I've listened to over the years have said as much. Also possibly proved by Belle Vue's less than stellar away record. When the NSS first opened it was a pretty fair race track and Aces didn't have much home advantage, as the home side have got "dialled in" over the years it's become much more of a fortress. 2 of the most technically talented riders in the UK struggle around the NSS, Scott Nicholls and Chris Harris, Harris in particular can blow hot and cold during the same meeting, looking like a World Champ one race and trailing in badly at the back next time out! You're not telling me that's because of lack of technical ability? So for me it may very well be a mechanically technical track but certainly not in respect to riding ability. Scott’s average went up when we moved from Kirky Lane to NSS as he WAS equally as good on either track at the time. Harris has blown hot & cold all his career including whilst an Ace. GP round winner one minute, battling with a reserve the next. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, ouch said: We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. That's no good! It's a long close season, what are we going to argue about? How about Brady Kurtz? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 1 hour ago, ouch said: Scott’s average went up when we moved from Kirky Lane to NSS as he WAS equally as good on either track at the time. Harris has blown hot & cold all his career including whilst an Ace. GP round winner one minute, battling with a reserve the next. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. If as everyone says, the NSS was built to the same sort of spec as Torun in Poland then I would say its not as technical as various other tracks in the UK. This is based on riders like Emil saying he has improved as a rider racing in Britain. Also Tai saying about having to turn the bike again. Mark Lemon also suggesting he will be building a team full of riders (think he said less than 55kgs) who don't weigh a lot. This would suggest other tracks are more technical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, ouch said: Scott’s average went up when we moved from Kirky Lane to NSS as he WAS equally as good on either track at the time. Harris has blown hot & cold all his career including whilst an Ace. GP round winner one minute, battling with a reserve the next. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Nicholls home average at Kirky Lane in 2015 was 7.20 his home average at the NSS in 2016 was 5.61 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 So are they gonna reconstruct the pits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted October 23 Report Share Posted October 23 8 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: So are they gonna reconstruct the pits? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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