1 valve Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 6 hours ago, arnieg said: Motorcycle Federation of Russia (their ACU) Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 7 hours ago, f-s-p said: You start with "If" In the eyes of the FIM they will not be considered Polish or PZM until MFR says they good to go. Poland has given them citizenship, PZM has given them licenses to ride as Polish in the Polish system. Has bugger all to do with FIM or FIM Europe meetings where they are still MFR. Not sure FIM need approval from the Russian governing body to recognise PZM membership for Russian born riders to ride under Polish citizenship/license so long as the correct legal processes have been followed and are in place. That said, such bodies are shrouded in political diplomacy so maybe the issue is indeed "cloudy" to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 2 hours ago, 1 valve said: Not sure FIM need approval from the Russian governing body to recognise PZM membership for Russian born riders to ride under Polish citizenship/license so long as the correct legal processes have been followed and are in place. That said, such bodies are shrouded in political diplomacy so maybe the issue is indeed "cloudy" to say the least. Having been a member of the Finnish track racing committee in SML when these things have happened with Joonas Kylmäkorpi and Timo Lahti, I am. Just read the book, FIM sporting code page 143 starts licenses (70.2.1 /7). Even though there are changes in the rule since when I was involved, basic message is still the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 (edited) On 10/7/2024 at 4:42 PM, szkocjasid said: Actually it's on FB I've seen more people against the Doyle inclusion, very disappointing tbh. Thought the majority of fans would want the best riders in the series, unlike the FIM we don't have to worry about viewing figures etc. The problem is that, while they CLAIM they want the best riders, what they actually want is their favourite riders. Then, they will use every excuse in the book (age, nationality, ekstraliga average, "a need for new faces" etc), in an attempt to validate their view. Edited October 9 by chunky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 (edited) 13 hours ago, chunky said: The problem is that, while they CLAIM they want the best riders, what they actually want is their favourite riders. Then, they will use every excuse in the book (age, nationality, ekstraliga average, "a need for new faces" etc), in an attempt to validate their view. Absolutely "spot on". Although it is fair to say, two of the "picks" for next years GP are far away from being the best available, and that's aside from two riders of Russian decent. Edited October 10 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 So, which GP rider will Greg Hancock work his magic on in 2025? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Hamish McRaker said: So, which GP rider will Greg Hancock work his magic on in 2025? Vinnie Foord would be a good match 🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 (edited) Polish media reporting that Emil and Artem have both been offered a Croatian speedway license. They would be put forward as Croatian riders in the GP qualifiers for 2025. They would also ride as Croatian riders in the Polish Ekstraliga. Edited October 10 by LagutaRacingFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 2 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Polish media reporting that Emil and Artem have both been offered a Croatian speedway license. They would be put forward as Croatian riders in the GP qualifiers for 2025. They would also ride as Croatian riders in the Polish Ekstraliga. Why would that change things? Haven’t they got a Polish license as it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 10 Report Share Posted October 10 53 minutes ago, JanAndersen said: Why would that change things? Haven’t they got a Polish license as it is? The PZM are not willing to nominate them as riders for GP qualifiers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 12 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Polish media reporting that Emil and Artem have both been offered a Croatian speedway license. They would be put forward as Croatian riders in the GP qualifiers for 2025. They would also ride as Croatian riders in the Polish Ekstraliga. Are you really this stupid or just having a laugh winding people up? Why would Croatia be given two allocations to be used for Russian riders while they have none of their own? U think no one would care in the CCP? I'm fine with both, just want to know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacerToft Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 It has been confirmed by Darija Pavlic though. So it's up to Artem and Emil if they want to go this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 2 hours ago, f-s-p said: Are you really this stupid or just having a laugh winding people up? Why would Croatia be given two allocations to be used for Russian riders while they have none of their own? U think no one would care in the CCP? I'm fine with both, just want to know... The Chinese Communist Party? Most probably not that interested in such matters. Meanwhile, Croatia could be dark horses for SoN😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 the pzm need to grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 On 10/11/2024 at 8:45 AM, RacerToft said: It has been confirmed by Darija Pavlic though. . I genuinely hope this is untrue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 23 hours ago, 1 valve said: The Chinese Communist Party? Most probably not that interested in such matters. Meanwhile, Croatia could be dark horses for SoN😜 From the very first day back then I was always in favour of anonymous discussion forums. But it's d1ckheads like you that while actually knowing zäkzhit pass their opinions as facts or present them as facts and when given the actual info just laugh at it have really put me off. It's not just you, I just decided to blame you for everything today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 1 hour ago, f-s-p said: I genuinely hope this is untrue. Read for yourself: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/1150288/sensacyjna-wiesci-w-sprawie-laguty-i-sajfutdinowa-jest-kraj-gotowy-zglosic-ich-d Translation (by Google) of the first paragraph says: Quote The big absentees of recent Grand Prix seasons, namely Artiom Łaguta and Emil Sayfutdinov, may start in next year's GP qualifiers. - We offered a license and a place in the qualifications - admits FIM official from Croatia, Darija Pavlic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 53 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said: Read for yourself: https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/1150288/sensacyjna-wiesci-w-sprawie-laguty-i-sajfutdinowa-jest-kraj-gotowy-zglosic-ich-d Translation (by Google) of the first paragraph says: Another reason to drown my sorrows then... She should be kicked out from CCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, f-s-p said: From the very first day back then I was always in favour of anonymous discussion forums. But it's d1ckheads like you that while actually knowing zäkzhit pass their opinions as facts or present them as facts and when given the actual info just laugh at it have really put me off. It's not just you, I just decided to blame you for everything today. Difficult to understand the point you are attempting to make. In your posting you stated CCP which is the correct acronym for the Chinese Communist Party. You may have meant CCCP which of course ceased in Dec 1991 so hardly relevant in 2024. As for Croatia possibly offering to issue two Russian born riders licences to race international events, well if they did (apparently now confirmed), why not go the extra step and bless them with nationality as well (Tongu in cheek) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 12 Report Share Posted October 12 3 hours ago, 1 valve said: Difficult to understand the point you are attempting to make. In your posting you stated CCP which is the correct acronym for the Chinese Communist Party. You may have meant CCCP which of course ceased in Dec 1991 so hardly relevant in 2024. As for Croatia possibly offering to issue two Russian born riders licences to race international events, well if they did (apparently now confirmed), why not go the extra step and bless them with nationality as well (Tongu in cheek) 3 hours ago, 1 valve said: Difficult to understand the point you are attempting to make. In your posting you stated CCP which is the correct acronym for the Chinese Communist Party. You may have meant CCCP which of course ceased in Dec 1991 so hardly relevant in 2024. As for Croatia possibly offering to issue two Russian born riders licences to race international events, well if they did (apparently now confirmed), why not go the extra step and bless them with nationality as well (Tongu in cheek) Yes, yes folk know you mean the track commission- just haven’t got a sense is humour have you… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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