Navigator1900 Posted September 21, 2024 Report Share Posted September 21, 2024 We all know it is not easy to persuade the FIM members, still we started this Facebook group 2 days ago and have already around 800 members. Dear Speedway-Supporters, please help to spread this message and join us. Thank you very much for your interest. https://www.facebook.com/groups/952441066646798 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted September 21, 2024 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2024 On 9/21/2024 at 7:38 PM, Navigator1900 said: We all know it is not easy to persuade the FIM members, still we started this Facebook group 2 days ago and have already around 800 members. Dear Speedway-Supporters, please help to spread this message and join us. Thank you very much for your interest. https://www.facebook.com/groups/952441066646798 Expand Simon Wigg took in 1994 a Dutch licence, details to find in his book. What about Armando Castagna, which year for which reasons? Can anybody help me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchairfan Posted October 1, 2024 Report Share Posted October 1, 2024 Would love to get involved for two World class riders, but i dont do facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 1, 2024 Report Share Posted October 1, 2024 On 10/1/2024 at 12:45 PM, Armchairfan said: Would love to get involved for two World class riders, but i dont do facebook Expand https://www.change.org/p/emil-sayfutdinov-artem-laguta-to-receive-wildcards-to-race-under-ain-in-fim-sgp-2025?recruited_by_id=76d99480-7b47-11ef-ba36-65c4215768b8&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&utm_medium=twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted October 1, 2024 Report Share Posted October 1, 2024 On 9/21/2024 at 7:38 PM, Navigator1900 said: We all know it is not easy to persuade the FIM members, still we started this Facebook group 2 days ago and have already around 800 members. Dear Speedway-Supporters, please help to spread this message and join us. Thank you very much for your interest. https://www.facebook.com/groups/952441066646798 Expand Why not start a petition to have Russia withdraw from Ukraine? You'd have as much hope of success, but at least an ethical reason for organising it..... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted October 2, 2024 Report Share Posted October 2, 2024 On 10/1/2024 at 2:14 PM, crescent girl said: Why not start a petition to have Russia withdraw from Ukraine? You'd have as much hope of success, but at least an ethical reason for organising it..... Expand Bloody good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchairfan Posted October 3, 2024 Report Share Posted October 3, 2024 On 10/1/2024 at 12:49 PM, BluTiger said: https://www.change.org/p/emil-sayfutdinov-artem-laguta-to-receive-wildcards-to-race-under-ain-in-fim-sgp-2025?recruited_by_id=76d99480-7b47-11ef-ba36-65c4215768b8&utm_source=share_petition&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf&utm_medium=twitter Expand Thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldHawk Posted October 9, 2024 Report Share Posted October 9, 2024 Good one for doing this, the biggest farce in the whole of my 50 years following speedway, signed and forwarded. Many Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted October 10, 2024 Report Share Posted October 10, 2024 I don't understand why they can't ride under a neutral flag, why do the rules prevent this? Why can't the FIM just change the rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 On 10/10/2024 at 4:31 PM, eric i said: I don't understand why they can't ride under a neutral flag, why do the rules prevent this? Why can't the FIM just change the rules? Expand Because the circumstance leading to the FIM introducing the rule (the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) is still in situ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 On 10/11/2024 at 7:30 AM, 1 valve said: Because the circumstance leading to the FIM introducing the rule (the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine) is still in situ. Expand Was the rule introduced after the invasion? It dosen't really make sence that the FIM are happy for the riders to ride under a Polish flag but not a neutral one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 (edited) On 10/11/2024 at 11:46 AM, eric i said: Was the rule introduced after the invasion? It dosen't really make sence that the FIM are happy for the riders to ride under a Polish flag but not a neutral one. Expand Yes the ban was introduced after the invasion. To compete in race events,All motorcycle racers (not just speedway) have to be in possession of an appropriate license issued by a national governing body affiliated to the FIM. As such there is no “neutral” body in existence to issue licenses. The FIM are happy for the Russian born riders to compete under a license issued by PZM who in turn choose not to nominate/endorse the Russian born riders ahead of Polish born for inclusion in events associated with GP’s. Incidentally, The ban extends beyond riders to also include officials such as referees, machine examiners & suchlike. Edited October 11, 2024 by 1 valve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 On 10/11/2024 at 12:27 PM, 1 valve said: Yes the ban was introduced after the invasion. To compete in race events,All motorcycle racers (not just speedway) have to be in possession of an appropriate license issued by a national governing body affiliated to the FIM. As such there is no “neutral” body in existence to issue licenses. The FIM are happy for the Russian born riders to compete under a license issued by PZM who in turn choose not to nominate/endorse the Russian born riders ahead of Polish born for inclusion in events associated with GP’s. Incidentally, The ban extends beyond riders to also include officials such as referees, machine examiners & suchlike. Expand Don't the FIM allocate how many nominations/place go to each nation, give the places which would have gone to Russia (pre war) to Poland on the understanding they give them to Emil and Laguta. Discovery then agree with PZM not to show the Russian or Polish flag or play the national anthems for either rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 On 10/11/2024 at 12:56 PM, eric i said: Don't the FIM allocate how many nominations/place go to each nation, give the places which would have gone to Russia (pre war) to Poland on the understanding they give them to Emil and Laguta. Discovery then agree with PZM not to show the Russian or Polish flag or play the national anthems for either rider. Expand There is not a hard allocation of riders per nation. Now the Gp’s are up and running the qualification process is established via previous season finish/Gp challenge & FIM nomination. The question people are asking this year is why the Russian born riders were not nominated. And so the circular argument begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted October 11, 2024 Report Share Posted October 11, 2024 On 10/11/2024 at 9:31 PM, 1 valve said: There is not a hard allocation of riders per nation. Now the Gp’s are up and running the qualification process is established via previous season finish/Gp challenge & FIM nomination. The question people are asking this year is why the Russian born riders were not nominated. And so the circular argument begins. Expand I was talking about next years GP challenge qualification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 13, 2024 Report Share Posted October 13, 2024 On 10/11/2024 at 11:19 PM, eric i said: I was talking about next years GP challenge qualification. Expand Ah My apologies. however the situation would still remain because of at least two reasons. 1.The PZM would not nominate Russian born Riders ahead of Polish born. 2. (More importantly)The FIM are highly unlikely to instigate any move designed to circumvent one of their own rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted October 14, 2024 Report Share Posted October 14, 2024 Did I not read over the last few days that Croatia want to have them ride under their watch? 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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