Wolfie456 Posted Monday at 09:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:05 PM 1 hour ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Sheffield's admission prices are a disgrace. A 23 year on the minimum wage renting a place in Sheffield would pay £25. A 70 year old who owns a £300,000 house and receives a generous defined benefit pension would pay £23. How is this fair? You've got to get old too remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster00 Posted Monday at 09:09 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:09 PM I can’t see much difference between the two personally having watched them both race plenty of times in the Champo, Gilkes is a slight tick above but the difference between the two won’t be the reason Sheffield win or lose meetings imo. I may be slightly off but I’ve never gotten the hype around Gilkes, looks destined to be an average Champo rider and a reserve in the Prem for as long as I can see, I hope he proves me wrong as we need many more young Brits to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manifesto Posted Monday at 09:41 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:41 PM Dan Gilkes was never going to be the key rider in the team and Hume will be the same. Both let’s be honest are poor riders at prem level. can genuinely see us struggling away from home, should have more than enough in the tank at home with all 1-5 capable of scoring big. If overall team averages drop management will be hooking Hume straight out the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king junior Posted Monday at 10:17 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:17 PM 27 minutes ago, Manifesto said: Dan Gilkes was never going to be the key rider in the team and Hume will be the same. Both let’s be honest are poor riders at prem level. can genuinely see us struggling away from home, should have more than enough in the tank at home with all 1-5 capable of scoring big. If overall team averages drop management will be hooking Hume straight out the team Think we'll be unlikely to see a change unless it was 2 out. Rowe average will immediately shoot up to over 5 after the first set of averages comes out, so any averages lost will immediately get taken up by that. Think we've just got to take the team as it is and hope the top four can take the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted Monday at 10:31 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:31 PM 9 minutes ago, spin king junior said: Think we'll be unlikely to see a change unless it was 2 out. Rowe average will immediately shoot up to over 5 after the first set of averages comes out, so any averages lost will immediately get taken up by that. Think we've just got to take the team as it is and hope the top four can take the lead. That's all dependent on number of meetings & Rowe achieving his average towards the first GS's. With the top 4 you have, he'll struggle to score points early doors imo. If 3-4 meetings get completed, he'll be around 4-4.50 at the 1 GS's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Monday at 10:57 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:57 PM 23 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: That's all dependent on number of meetings & Rowe achieving his average towards the first GS's. With the top 4 you have, he'll struggle to score points early doors imo. If 3-4 meetings get completed, he'll be around 4-4.50 at the 1 GS's I think Rowe will do better than many are expecting, but even if he does only score his starting average (3.9) it'll take a long time to lower his rolling average down from above 5. If Sheffield make changes most likely to be if someone like Vinnie Foord became a superstar & overtook Hume with his Champ scoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Monday at 11:02 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:02 PM 1 hour ago, TTT said: With Gilkes it was a risky side imo but at least Gilkes had the scope to get better whilst Hume has had numerous chances in the Premiership already. Yes very risky, reserves win matches, those two wont score many points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Monday at 11:05 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:05 PM 6 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: I think Rowe will do better than many are expecting, but even if he does only score his starting average (3.9) it'll take a long time to lower his rolling average down from above 5. If Sheffield make changes most likely to be if someone like Vinnie Foord became a superstar & overtook Hume with his Champ scoring? Sheffield will have to make changes or Tai will be moaning again about riders not being good enough!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Monday at 11:07 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:07 PM I think the Sheffield team looks "lopsided" with a weak number 6, but they do have one of the better number 7s. Even with his disappointing season at Birmingham, Flint is still one of the best "rising stars" before any improvement he may find? As many people expected more of him (Leon included no doubt) he isn't looked on as a great signing, but I'd want him in the team ahead of most of the other "rising stars". It certainly makes next season interesting to see how the likes of Sheffield & Lynn fare with their team building being completely opposite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Tuesday at 05:13 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:13 AM 5 hours ago, foreverblue said: Yes very risky, reserves win matches, those two wont score many points. I think nowadays that the top four win matches.. Especially the top two... Not many No6's are of the level to beat any of the top three (or even four) riders in their own or their oppositions team given their level, and the level of the opponent.. Maybe in the Championship it could happen given the much lower standard of HL's... Teams with a "strength in depth" plan may get some joy from having a "decent" reserve, but up against the top fours of BV, Ipswich and Sheffield (as not many races won't have at least one of them in), having a reserve performance to beat them will be an exception rather than a rule in today's top league I would say.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted Tuesday at 08:58 AM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 08:58 AM 9 hours ago, foreverblue said: Sheffield will have to make changes or Tai will be moaning again about riders not being good enough!! The ‘it’s all about me’ from Woffinden, same pre and post injury. Difference is this season is he won’t be calling the captain of the team out with being good buddies with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted Tuesday at 10:41 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:41 AM I don't think Vinnie Foord would done any worse than Hume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted Tuesday at 10:52 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:52 AM 11 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: I don't think Vinnie Foord would done any worse than Hume would woffinden and both holders want to ride with him though? likely to be injured in the first month of the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 10:55 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:55 AM 5 hours ago, mikebv said: I think nowadays that the top four win matches.. Especially the top two... Not many No6's are of the level to beat any of the top three (or even four) riders in their own or their oppositions team given their level, and the level of the opponent.. Maybe in the Championship it could happen given the much lower standard of HL's... Teams with a "strength in depth" plan may get some joy from having a "decent" reserve, but up against the top fours of BV, Ipswich and Sheffield (as not many races won't have at least one of them in), having a reserve performance to beat them will be an exception rather than a rule in today's top league I would say.. It will be interesting to see how Kings Lynn fare against Sheffield, the trouble with the Sheffield reserves is that neither are good enough to beat their opposite number on a regular basis, they will be on the back foot after two races. The championship is a lower standard but not much lower, Lawson is a heat leader in both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 10:56 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:56 AM 3 minutes ago, therefused said: would woffinden and both holders want to ride with him though? likely to be injured in the first month of the season Would Foord want to ride with Jack or Tai? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted Tuesday at 12:14 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:14 PM 1 hour ago, foreverblue said: It will be interesting to see how Kings Lynn fare against Sheffield, the trouble with the Sheffield reserves is that neither are good enough to beat their opposite number on a regular basis, they will be on the back foot after two races. The championship is a lower standard but not much lower, Lawson is a heat leader in both. Not sure if you would be saying that if Poole never dropped down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 12:49 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:49 PM 31 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: Not sure if you would be saying that if Poole never dropped down Well i think a Poole team would be built differently to Kings Lynn but reserves win matches and KL will have the best reserve all season. You always need one good reserve which is why Sheffield will struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted Tuesday at 01:27 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:27 PM 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: It will be interesting to see how Kings Lynn fare against Sheffield, the trouble with the Sheffield reserves is that neither are good enough to beat their opposite number on a regular basis, they will be on the back foot after two races. The championship is a lower standard but not much lower, Lawson is a heat leader in both. Lawson starting at 2 for Lynn next season, not sure his average indicates an out and out heat leader either? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:56 PM (edited) 31 minutes ago, therefused said: Lawson starting at 2 for Lynn next season, not sure his average indicates an out and out heat leader either? How do you know what position he will start at, he is second in the teams averages so that would indicate he is a heat leader, I think his average would indicate a rider of 3rd heat leader quality, especially at home, a track he rides very well, he is as good as any 3rd heat leader in the premiership that has been announced with the exception of Sheffield. Edited Tuesday at 02:00 PM by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM 4 minutes ago, foreverblue said: How do you know what position he will start at, he is second in the teams averages so that would indicate he is a heat leader, I think his average would indicate a rider of 3rd heat leader quality, especially at home, a track he rides very well. nobody knows for certain but its highly likely he will partner cook at two the two danes in the engine room and kvech at five kind of picks itself imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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