AceBelle Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 1 hour ago, IainB said: He scored 6 from 4 in April though. Also Bewley and kurtz won prem pairs in 2022 there so they know how to ride the place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 3 hours ago, ouch said: Belle Vue put in a shockingly bad performance back in April, their worst of the season with a full team. Even so we were only 12 down entering heat 15 when Lidsey & Mountain got 5-1’d. I’m hoping we put in a better performance but if not fingers crossed Dan and Brady can do better than Jaimon and Connor did in the decider. We don't need to if 12 down going into heat 15 we have won. Forget past meetings it's the playoffs riders go harder. It's not over as 18 isn't impossible, but it's very very hard to pull back 18 points, it does happen but not often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 4 hours ago, IainB said: Yes, heat leader winner, just saw that Belle Vue had 3 heat winners at Leicester in April and 5 (and 3 other 3-3's) in July and they still managed to lose by 20! It's about heat advantages not heat winners Well, you need a heat winner to get a heat advantage! BV had 13, so were unlikely to lose. You could see Leicester settling for 3-3s in at least a couple of races, e.g. when Hagon got into second place - now the trick for BV at Leicester is to do similar, i.e. avoid last places. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 1 hour ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Yawn Thanks for your input. It gets boring for the rest of us as well. Anybody would think Ipswich were the only team ever to lose one of their best 2 riders to a long term injury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 38 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Well, you need a heat winner to get a heat advantage! BV had 13, so were unlikely to lose. You could see Leicester settling for 3-3s in at least a couple of races, e.g. when Hagon got into second place - now the trick for BV at Leicester is to do similar, i.e. avoid last places. Indeed you do, looking at Leicester's 20 point victory in April, which they'll need to replicate, more than half the heats were actually 3-3's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 BV would have to do a choke of all chokes for Leicester to win. This see's BV over the line. Bewley & Kurtz (20 between them) Lidsey & NKI (12 between them) Blodorn, Voulas & Mulford (5 between them and they can do that just by beating Hagon with 3-3's in Heat 2 and Heat 7) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 35 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Thanks for your input. It gets boring for the rest of us as well. Anybody would think Ipswich were the only team ever to lose one of their best 2 riders to a long term injury. Not ever but you can’t compare Sheffield to Ipswich …. Ok let’s say Doyle and Tai are comparable … you lost Jack for 2 meetings middle of the season when secure in top 4…. We lost Emil for the business end We had Ellis King and Dan Thompson all out injured and all riding with their injuries We when lost Jenkins when he was in form and again at the business end when it’s important Even Rew had one nasty smash at end of the season So no Sheffield has nowhere near the same issues as Ipswich ….. most true fans know Ipswich were unlucky this year but that’s speedway and I’m sure with a full 1-7 we would have seen off Leicester and Sheffield although we would have struggled against Belle Vue as they always thrash us up there!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 38 minutes ago, Gavan said: Not ever but you can’t compare Sheffield to Ipswich …. Ok let’s say Doyle and Tai are comparable … you lost Jack for 2 meetings middle of the season when secure in top 4…. We lost Emil for the business end We had Ellis King and Dan Thompson all out injured and all riding with their injuries We when lost Jenkins when he was in form and again at the business end when it’s important Even Rew had one nasty smash at end of the season So no Sheffield has nowhere near the same issues as Ipswich ….. most true fans know Ipswich were unlucky this year but that’s speedway and I’m sure with a full 1-7 we would have seen off Leicester and Sheffield although we would have struggled against Belle Vue as they always thrash us up there!! You need to remember they lost J.Holder last Thursday as well. Apparently he went missing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, SUPERACE said: We don't need to if 12 down going into heat 15 we have won. Forget past meetings it's the playoffs riders go harder. It's not over as 18 isn't impossible, but it's very very hard to pull back 18 points, it does happen but not often. sheffield did it last year !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, DaveWayne said: Anybody would think Ipswich were the only team ever to lose one of their best 2 riders to a long term injury. It was an annual thing at Dudley Wood! 89 - Gundersen,& Pedersen. 90 - Pedersen & Cross. A young Hancock also started the season on fire at reserve but was out for a stint. 92 - Pedersen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 3 hours ago, Roger Jacobs said: Well, you need a heat winner to get a heat advantage! BV had 13, so were unlikely to lose. You could see Leicester settling for 3-3s in at least a couple of races, e.g. when Hagon got into second place - now the trick for BV at Leicester is to do similar, i.e. avoid last places. or for bewley/kurtz / Lidsey / iversen just to win every heat !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 In the Premiership most of the Aces had a bad meeting so no doubt Lions will be hoping for a repeat performance. Could weather play apart in the 2nd leg. Lions are solid at home with Fricke, Lawson, Douglas and Masters giving them a solid top 4 if they can all make strong contributions and Becker and reserves outscore their Aces counterparts it could come down to those heats 13+15. BUT a big ask for the Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 2 hours ago, AceBelle said: or for bewley/kurtz / Lidsey / iversen just to win every heat !! I suspect they may need to win a few. Can't see Mulford troubling the Lions & Voulas may never have been to Beaumont Park before. However Blodorn was decent there when I saw him. Fricke could well go unbeaten, but the Aces top 3 & Iversen should take points off the rest of the Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 3 hours ago, AceBelle said: sheffield did it last year !! Has no bearing on this year. As I said it happens but not often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 8 minutes ago, Col said: I suspect they may need to win a few. Can't see Mulford troubling the Lions & Voulas may never have been to Beaumont Park before. However Blodorn was decent there when I saw him. Fricke could well go unbeaten, but the Aces top 3 & Iversen should take points off the rest of the Lions. Voulas has rode there earlier in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted September 24 Report Share Posted September 24 (edited) 5 hours ago, Gavan said: Not ever but you can’t compare Sheffield to Ipswich …. Ok let’s say Doyle and Tai are comparable … you lost Jack for 2 meetings middle of the season when secure in top 4…. We lost Emil for the business end We had Ellis King and Dan Thompson all out injured and all riding with their injuries We when lost Jenkins when he was in form and again at the business end when it’s important Even Rew had one nasty smash at end of the season So no Sheffield has nowhere near the same issues as Ipswich ….. most true fans know Ipswich were unlucky this year but that’s speedway and I’m sure with a full 1-7 we would have seen off Leicester and Sheffield although we would have struggled against Belle Vue as they always thrash us up there!! Hence the reason that my first post which got the 'yawn' response, leading to my reply that you quoted, specifically mentioned the 'normal' league season. I was simply pointing out that our number 5 had missed nearly as many league matches as yours had, so add in the 2 Jack missed and it is the same number. I fully appreciate the fact that you lost Emil when you needed him most, and I don't think there is a single honest speedway fan in the country that would argue with the fact that you had the strongest 1-7 and would have probably won the double this season, but as I and others have said many times, it was always a gamble on those 2 staying fit and available and you ended up with the perfect storm. Yes, that is a lot of injuries in a season, almost the same as Sheffield in 2023 when they won the playoffs and lost in the KO Cup Final, but apparently we injured our riders on purpose so that we could use 'horses for courses' guests and cheat the system. 😉😂 Edited September 24 by DaveWayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 8 hours ago, Col said:Fricke could well go unbeaten, but the Aces top 3 & Iversen should take points off the rest of the Lions. Max just doesn’t go that well on wet/slippery tracks. Not just those caused by rain but heavy watering between heats as seen in the GP’s seem to disrupt his normal fast racing on dry surfaces be they slick or grippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 17 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: You need to remember they lost J.Holder last Thursday as well. Apparently he went missing! He suffers a lot from lostdummyitis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 18 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: You need to remember they lost J.Holder last Thursday as well. Apparently he went missing! Hiding behind his captain most of the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 25 Report Share Posted September 25 On 9/24/2024 at 9:54 AM, Wolfie456 said: Kurtz and Bewley have to get through tonights final in Sweden first.You never know in speedway. funny how you don't mention masters & lawson in their championship final ??? or douglas riding for Dackarna also ??? think we all know why 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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