Steve Shovlar Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 5 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Wasn't the track, just unfortunate error form Ben, he was trying everything to pass. So what actually happened? Did he clip the rider in front? clip fence? High sided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBThirdbend Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 13 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: So what actually happened? Did he clip the rider in front? clip fence? High sided? From where we were stood on the home straight it looked like he was closing quickly on Howarth and then lost control possibly slowing to avoid hitting him. Looked like the back wheel came around and then the bike lifted and flipped/high sided. Can't be certain but I'm sure it looked awful! Jack Holder looked to be in bits walking back across the centre green as he was the first rider to him. Hope the news from Middlo is right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 57 minutes ago, lisa-colette said: Sounds like he has been very lucky. If he had a seizure they would keep him in longer? if ben was cocussed he will be out of action for the final but thank the lord he sounds ok best wishes to him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 36 minutes ago, Odds On said: Regarding the track....interesting that Jack Holder didn't go looking for the "fence line" , where previously he had excelled from it. Decent meeting purely on the aggregate score and what was at stake, in terms of actual racing/passing it was pretty lack lustre. And noticeably Chris stayed well away when he chased Voulas.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JoeW436 Posted September 20 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 20 Hi everyone. A big thank you for all your comments and messages - they mean a lot. After a serious concussion/head knock all scan results have come back clear, which is a huge relief. I’m feeling a bit second hand today. I just need some time to recover but luckily I’ve escaped injury. I’m hoping to leave hospital later today. Ben Fantastic news. 18 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 3 minutes ago, AceBelle said: if ben was cocussed he will be out of action for the final but thank the lord he sounds ok best wishes to him Yes, thank goodness, everyone who had any interest in the meeting has been waiting for news ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 47 minutes ago, Odds On said: Regarding the track....interesting that Jack Holder didn't go looking for the "fence line" , where previously he had excelled from it. Decent meeting purely on the aggregate score and what was at stake, in terms of actual racing/passing it was pretty lack lustre. Looked like there were some serious conversations between J.Holder and Stead, which contributed to JH declining or not available to be interviewed. Maybe the Holders thought they'd done their bit at Belle Vue whilst others hadn't, and were doing a "work to rule" last night? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 So glad Ben is OK. Really good rider shame he will the miss final but more importantly his health is ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 51 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said: So what actually happened? Did he clip the rider in front? clip fence? High sided? High Sided, was mid track, no other rider involved, simply overtrying for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 43 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Wasn't the track, just unfortunate error form Ben, he was trying everything to pass. Really good news that Ben is not too badly hurt. I have quoted your post as I wanted to thank you for the honesty. So many people on this thread jumping on the 'dangerous track' bandwagon last night, but as the majority were watching on TV they hadn't even seen the crash. From where I was standing near the bar on turn 3, so with a good view down the back straight into turn 2, it looked like a rider pushing the limits and making an error. Nothing sinister about it and he looked pretty much mid-track to me, nowhere near the infamous outside line. The bike high sided and he came down heavily on his upper body. My initial thought was collar bone or shoulder. Belle Vue were the better team over the 2 legs and deserved the win. We didn't lose the match last night, we lost it on Monday. Picko having 2 bike failures put us on the back foot, and the 5-1 in heat 15 gave us a mountain to climb. Sadly, when we needed them most, our top 2 riders were both way off their regular home form last night. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Slightly off topic...back in the 60's speedway star had a monthly sister magazine called speedway post. Every month there was a riders profile and when it came to the riders favourite track, it was nearly always Sheffield, no matter who the rider rode for. I have a very clear memory of this as it became quite predictable every month and also slightly puzzling when the likes of Hyde road was around. Does anyone know if the Sheffield track is the same track it was in the 60's in terms of length, width etc? Currently it looks insanely narrow to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zagarmeister Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Brilliant news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 44 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Really good news that Ben is not too badly hurt. I have quoted your post as I wanted to thank you for the honesty. So many people on this thread jumping on the 'dangerous track' bandwagon last night, but as the majority were watching on TV they hadn't even seen the crash. From where I was standing near the bar on turn 3, so with a good view down the back straight into turn 2, it looked like a rider pushing the limits and making an error. Nothing sinister about it and he looked pretty much mid-track to me, nowhere near the infamous outside line. The bike high sided and he came down heavily on his upper body. My initial thought was collar bone or shoulder. Belle Vue were the better team over the 2 legs and deserved the win. We didn't lose the match last night, we lost it on Monday. Picko having 2 bike failures put us on the back foot, and the 5-1 in heat 15 gave us a mountain to climb. Sadly, when we needed them most, our top 2 riders were both way off their regular home form last night. I thought the track was the best its been for a while last night actually. Really good news re Ben too! and yes i considered it rider error Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 40 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Really good news that Ben is not too badly hurt. I have quoted your post as I wanted to thank you for the honesty. So many people on this thread jumping on the 'dangerous track' bandwagon last night, but as the majority were watching on TV they hadn't even seen the crash. From where I was standing near the bar on turn 3, so with a good view down the back straight into turn 2, it looked like a rider pushing the limits and making an error. Nothing sinister about it and he looked pretty much mid-track to me, nowhere near the infamous outside line. The bike high sided and he came down heavily on his upper body. My initial thought was collar bone or shoulder. Belle Vue were the better team over the 2 legs and deserved the win. We didn't lose the match last night, we lost it on Monday. Picko having 2 bike failures put us on the back foot, and the 5-1 in heat 15 gave us a mountain to climb. Sadly, when we needed them most, our top 2 riders were both way off their regular home form last night. No I think you lost it last night because the Holder brothers didn’t want to know and even more so after Cook crashed Jack Holder is world number 4 and currently 7th… for him to not win a race and simply follow his partner in all 4 races isn’t good enough… Chris also looked subdued And if there is no issue with the track why didn’t either brother try the dirt line it was like they were too scared to… watch Chris v Vuolas he never wanted to try the outside They scored 11 between them … Thry should possibly be getting that each … you can excuse a poor performance away but not at home And Sheffield fans who were quick to moan about Howarth and Harris have said nothing about the Holder brothers - bit of double standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrickn Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 14 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Slightly off topic...back in the 60's speedway star had a monthly sister magazine called speedway post. Every month there was a riders profile and when it came to the riders favourite track, it was nearly always Sheffield, no matter who the rider rode for. I have a very clear memory of this as it became quite predictable every month and also slightly puzzling when the likes of Hyde road was around. Does anyone know if the Sheffield track is the same track it was in the 60's in terms of length, width etc? Currently it looks insanely narrow to me. No air fence in the 60s,so track would have been wider.Also,Frank Varey knew how to prepare a track,and there were also rakers dragging the dirt back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 25 minutes ago, keepturningleft said: Slightly off topic...back in the 60's speedway star had a monthly sister magazine called speedway post. Every month there was a riders profile and when it came to the riders favourite track, it was nearly always Sheffield, no matter who the rider rode for. I have a very clear memory of this as it became quite predictable every month and also slightly puzzling when the likes of Hyde road was around. Does anyone know if the Sheffield track is the same track it was in the 60's in terms of length, width etc? Currently it looks insanely narrow to me. The Sheffield track has remained the same since 1929. Unfortunately we haven't had the same benefit as the BV fans of having a brand new stadium paid for with taxpayers money. Those on here who lionise the wonderful NSS and criticise the "lesser" stadia like Sheffield should remember that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 1 minute ago, 4thbender said: The Sheffield track has remained the same since 1929. Unfortunately we haven't had the same benefit as the BV fans of having a brand new stadium paid for with taxpayers money. Those on here who lionise the wonderful NSS and criticise the "lesser" stadia like Sheffield should remember that. And various promotions done nothing with it, they obviously can’t do anything with the fence line due to greyhound track, but they can bring the inside line in slightly to make it wider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Good news on Ben sound awful last night.Back to full fitness soon hopefully,although I would imagine his season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 1 minute ago, Rob B said: And various promotions done nothing with it, they obviously can’t do anything with the fence line due to greyhound track, but they can bring the inside line in slightly to make it wider. Yes, I believe a proposal was put forward a few years ago to take a few feet off the inside verge but the proposal was turned down by the stadium's owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 20 minutes ago, Rob B said: And various promotions done nothing with it, they obviously can’t do anything with the fence line due to greyhound track, but they can bring the inside line in slightly to make it wider. Greyhound owners won’t let them move the kerb in, they have asked on numerous occasions, I idea they won’t as the centre green was last used in 80’s when either rugby league or American football used it, but it’s just for the greyhounds to have a dump on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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