Riders Cheating

[Fromafar]

25 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

It’s near on impossible to cheat at World Cup or GP level, not saying it hasn’t happened but most are just looking for an advantage within the rules(like the current trend of jhr rear frames)but I think people mistakenly confuse speedway with other motorbike sports, more power doesn’t mean more wins, it means more wheel spin and the slicker the track the more you will go nowhere, power means nothing if you can’t get the rear wheel to grip,,take the example of smolinski in earlier post he cheated by pulling a wire apart mid race but it didn’t make his bike have more power it made it less power and the back wheel to hook up better on the slick track, the difference with polish riders and their ability to adapt is their training from an early age on how a bike works, most polish riders can strip and rebuild engines, a lot of British youngsters don’t understand the importance of having a clean air filter 

100%agree regarding the mechanical knowledge of how the bikes works is big part of being able to make the correct changes on set ups.Many of the young Brits do not have that IMO.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

100%agree regarding the mechanical knowledge of how the bikes works is big part of being able to make the correct changes on set ups.Many of the young Brits do not have that IMO.

Unfortunately “the set up “ is more and more important these days to the point now where even in British speedway if you don’t have it close you won’t even be competitive and that’s sad 

[Fromafar]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

It’s near on impossible to cheat at World Cup or GP level, not saying it hasn’t happened but most are just looking for an advantage within the rules(like the current trend of jhr rear frames)but I think people mistakenly confuse speedway with other motorbike sports, more power doesn’t mean more wins, it means more wheel spin and the slicker the track the more you will go nowhere, power means nothing if you can’t get the rear wheel to grip,,take the example of smolinski in earlier post he cheated by pulling a wire apart mid race but it didn’t make his bike have more power it made it less power and the back wheel to hook up better on the slick track, the difference with polish riders and their ability to adapt is their training from an early age on how a bike works, most polish riders can strip and rebuild engines, a lot of British youngsters don’t understand the importance of having a clean air filter 

What’s the JHR rear end advantage(if any)

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

What’s the JHR rear end advantage(if any)

I’ve never tried one but the bottom tube is like a square tube design so I would  imagine it makes the bike drive more but and this is my opinion only it makes the bike very unpredictable on less than perfect tracks.3 riders who use them are lambert, Doyle and lindgren who are all very fast this year but have randomly had moments where the bike has just taken off in the middle of the corner but I suppose if I they feel it works 90% of the time it’s worth the risk in their mind, traction control is banned in speedway so they are trying to sort of create it with frame modifications, I know zmarzlik has brought a lot of them but isn’t using them at moment and well he is world champion so do they work ?

Edited September 22 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[ONTWOMINUTES]

17 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I’ve never tried one but the bottom tube is like a square tube design so I would  imagine it makes the bike drive more but and this is my opinion only it makes the bike very unpredictable on less than perfect tracks.3 riders who use them are lambert, Doyle and lindgren who are all very fast this year but have randomly had moments where the bike has just taken off in the middle of the corner but I suppose if I they feel it works 90% of the time it’s worth the risk in their mind, traction control is banned in speedway so they are trying to sort of create it with frame modifications, I know zmarzlik has brought a lot of them but isn’t using them at moment and well he is world champion so do they work ?

As far as I'm aware jhr have made a couple of rear ends over the years that are different to conventional rear ends made by the likes of jawa and stuha.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

This is the jhr rear end, not the best photo but you get the idea 

[Fromafar]

3 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

This is the jhr rear end, not the best photo but you get the idea 

I must be hard to to tell if it really any better given all the different styles and weights of the riders.Woffy had a article in SS suggesting riders weight is a big important factor.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

58 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

I must be hard to to tell if it really any better given all the different styles and weights of the riders.Woffy had an article in SS suggesting riders weight is a big important factor.

I think it’s about the flex of the tube and the bottom tube won’t flex a much as a normal tube so making the bike want to go straight line quicker 

[Byeall]

On 9/22/2024 at 6:14 PM, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Unfortunately “the set up “ is more and more important these days to the point now where even in British speedway if you don’t have it close you won’t even be competitive and that’s sad 

Seems to be hard for even the top boys to get the right set up.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

4 hours ago, Roundthebend said:

Seems to be hard for even the top boys to get the right set up.

There isn’t really a thing called “the set up” they are all within a tweet or two from being somewhere near, it’s just a trendy thing to say these days, different riders have different set ups, bikes that ride well one day more often than not won’t work the next day on the same track with the same bike set up, when you hear a professional say they don’t have the right set up after their second ride it means they were crap but are too vain to say it, it’s bs like saying p1 or p2 when first or second, it’s just modern speak 

Edited September 25 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[IainB]

15 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

There isn’t really a thing called “the set up” they are all within a tweet or two from being somewhere near, it’s just a trendy thing to say these days, different riders have different set ups, bikes that ride well one day more often than not won’t work the next day on the same track with the same bike set up, when you hear a professional say they don’t have the right set up after their second ride it means they were crap but are too vain to say it, it’s bs like saying p1 or p2 when first or second, it’s just modern speak 

A bad workman blames his tools... take Monday for example Sam Hagon outscored Max Fricke! It was obvious Fricke was riding the wrong line all night long! Hagon was generating great speed all night, Fricke just wanted to ride low all night but not low enough as Brady Kurtz proved a number of times

[*JJ]

Just how useful is 'set up' anyway, at least to lower-level riders? Andrew Silver told us that in his day, he used to change only the sprocket in a match!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

35 minutes ago, *JJ said:

Just how useful is 'set up' anyway, at least to lower-level riders? Andrew Silver told us that in his day, he used to change only the sprocket in a match!

The bikes are less forgiving these days and you have such a small optimal useable range that outside that range the bike is uncompetitive and it’s reading things like that you think well why don’t we make the engines like we had before where it was competitive without a limited range, well the answer is because the sport is run by the riders for the riders via the tuners and it’s quite the little cartel they have going and turkeys don’t vote for Xmas 

[SPEEDY69]

Given the fad for leg dangling these days, I'm surprised no-one has tried the old style banana seat yet, as that's much easier to get your weight over the back wheel and get more grip if you need to. 

[marko]

3 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Given the fad for leg dangling these days, I'm surprised no-one has tried the old style banana seat yet, as that's much easier to get your weight over the back wheel and get more grip if you need to. 

I know exactly what some riders would say “ those long seats weigh to much” 😉

[IainB]

4 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said:

Given the fad for leg dangling these days, I'm surprised no-one has tried the old style banana seat yet, as that's much easier to get your weight over the back wheel and get more grip if you need to. 

Vuolas looks like he's dancing the Can Can when he's on a bike!

[Dave Goddard]

3 hours ago, IainB said:

Vuolas looks like he's dancing the Can Can when he's on a bike!

I call him Hokey Cokey.

"You put your left leg in, stick your right leg out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about..."

[rearingtogo]

4 hours ago, IainB said:

Vuolas looks like he's dancing the Can Can when he's on a bike!

 

9 minutes ago, Dave Goddard said:

I call him Hokey Cokey.

"You put your left leg in, stick your right leg out, in, out, in, out, shake it all about..."

Is there are party dance going on

[SPEEDY69]

Doesn't make them any quicker, just unpredictable if they get grip.

[steve roberts]

On 9/26/2024 at 12:39 PM, SPEEDY69 said:

Given the fad for leg dangling these days, I'm surprised no-one has tried the old style banana seat yet, as that's much easier to get your weight over the back wheel and get more grip if you need to. 

Personally I find the modern style of riding unattractive and they all look the same...very little individualism.