Odds On Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 always been a topic for discussion, some warranted and some fabricated....does it go on nowadays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 A slightly different topic I know but I think non-enforcement of the actual rules is a bigger problem these days, I by no means see all the speedway that goes on in the UK but from what I have seen, particularly this season, it is worse than ever before and I'm not talking about referee opinion, I mean clear black and white rules that just aren't enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 How do you mean cheating? These guys are paid to win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byeall Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 10 minutes ago, Robinh88 said: How do you mean cheating? These guys are paid to win! Not always. There are riders who are on retainers, so therefore don’t matter where they finish. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 16 Author Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Robinh88 said: How do you mean cheating? These guys are paid to win! I meant in terms of over sized engines, model fuel, springs, carbs etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Odds On said: I meant in terms of over sized engines, model fuel, springs, carbs etc etc There is also laying your bike down and making no attempt to take it off the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 10 minutes ago, foreverblue said: There is also laying your bike down and making no attempt to take it off the track. That's only cheating if the wife finds out though 😬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: There is also laying your bike down and making no attempt to take it off the track. I'm always dubious about riders deliberately laying their bikes down, especially at league level, I mean who wants to deliberately have a motorcycle accident? I can understand them sometimes not being in a hurry to get up but this is normally for purely selfish reasons of maybe being in a rerun I would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 5 hours ago, Odds On said: I meant in terms of over sized engines, model fuel, springs, carbs etc etc Over sized engines are rare these days, mainly because the tuners would literally lose their whole business by making an engine oversize for a rider and in the uk with the exception of belle vue you wouldn’t gain an advantage by having an oversized engine,if you went to a track like lakeside you might possibly run an undersized engine,carbs are easily checked and again not really in blixt interest to make oversize carbs although he does make a 38mm version for grasstrack but as I said easily checked, they did away with the silencer cheating by making a hole in the silencer which is what the cheats were doing, fuel is open to cheating but something like nitro makes they eyes run of anybody around the bike, there were some who dipped their filters in nitro but they started checking filters by swiping them, I think on the whole riders are just looking for an edge within the rules which to be honest are quite simple, I’m sure there will always be some but they usually raise suspicion and checks randomly begin, ignitions are varied and there was a bit of suspicion about the karger box but as I posted elsewhere zmarzlik doesn’t use them and he is the best in the world, speedway like most Motorsports is full of fads, someone tries something, wins a meeting and then the whole of the sport jumps on the bandwagon and then they find out it didn’t really work but psychologically it gave that rider the edge he needed, the jhr rear frames seem to be the latest fad, do they work ? Well zmarzlik brought 20 of them last month and he back on Jawa or Stuha,,lindgren uses them and he was poor at vojens so do they work ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 I've always thought that riders would find more speed by tidying up their riding style to be more smooth rather than cheating with parts/engines etc. Listening to what DJ Woffy was saying on the podcast about removing lacquer from knee braces etc. Seemed to be taking things to the extreme, you'd save a fraction of a nano second by doing that but pulling a locker or something and you'd easily lose a whole second from your lap time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInTheDHSS Posted September 17 Report Share Posted September 17 On 9/16/2024 at 9:16 AM, Odds On said: always been a topic for discussion, some warranted and some fabricated....does it go on nowadays? Every single one of Oxford's Championship team are at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted September 17 Author Report Share Posted September 17 4 hours ago, BackInTheDHSS said: Every single one of Oxford's Championship team are at it. In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 On 9/16/2024 at 5:29 PM, IainB said: I'm always dubious about riders deliberately laying their bikes down, especially at league level, I mean who wants to deliberately have a motorcycle accident? I can understand them sometimes not being in a hurry to get up but this is normally for purely selfish reasons of maybe being in a rerun I would suspect. I've seen more than one rider instructed to do this if their team mate isn't in front after the first lap! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 I remember many years ago Len Silver had instructed one of his riders to "fake" an engine failure if he found himself in a certain position during a race because if allowed to finish it would have meant the opposition going sixx points down and therefore in a position to nominate a T/S in the next race. Cheating or tactics? Sure it must have happened on numerous occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jamie Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 On 9/17/2024 at 6:46 PM, Odds On said: In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again. Cheetahs 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 15 hours ago, steve roberts said: I remember many years ago Len Silver had instructed one of his riders to "fake" an engine failure if he found himself in a certain position during a race because if allowed to finish it would have meant the opposition going sixx points down and therefore in a position to nominate a T/S in the next race. Cheating or tactics? Sure it must have happened on numerous occasions. Tactics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurRudge Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Leon Madsen and Edward Kennett I can remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 Makes you wonder in world Cup meetings when the polish team all loose there first ride then go unbeaten rest of meeting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 (edited) 48 minutes ago, scaramanga said: Makes you wonder in world Cup meetings when the polish team all loose there first ride then go unbeaten rest of meeting It’s near on impossible to cheat at World Cup or GP level, not saying it hasn’t happened but most are just looking for an advantage within the rules(like the current trend of jhr rear frames)but I think people mistakenly confuse speedway with other motorbike sports, more power doesn’t mean more wins, it means more wheel spin and the slicker the track the more you will go nowhere, power means nothing if you can’t get the rear wheel to grip,,take the example of smolinski in earlier post he cheated by pulling a wire apart mid race but it didn’t make his bike have more power it made it less power and the back wheel to hook up better on the slick track, the difference with polish riders and their ability to adapt is their training from an early age on how a bike works, most polish riders can strip and rebuild engines, a lot of British youngsters don’t understand the importance of having a clean air filter Edited September 22 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 On 9/21/2024 at 2:15 PM, ArthurRudge said: Leon Madsen and Edward Kennett I can remember Eddie Kennett was made an example of with the silencer by the scb, everyone was at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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