Roger Jacobs Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 8 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: The fact he gave so much to British speedway the last few years and it could help him financially is the reason you should sign it and not just be selfish on what you want in Britain. The guy gave his bonus for fastest lap time at Foxhall to the Benfund which he didn’t have to do. Rides and risks his life for entertainment. But you sit on your seat and worry about who will be in your team next year 👍🏼 I'm not convinced that the GPs are a financial benefit to the riders - the prize money isn't life changing. The "risks his life for entertainment" trope is tired and meaningless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 26 Report Share Posted September 26 10 hours ago, ShanoXtra said: The fact he gave so much to British speedway the last few years and it could help him financially is the reason you should sign it and not just be selfish on what you want in Britain. The guy gave his bonus for fastest lap time at Foxhall to the Benfund which he didn’t have to do. Rides and risks his life for entertainment. But you sit on your seat and worry about who will be in your team next year 👍🏼 Nonsense. He gave his bonus, wow, must've been what 0.0001% of his earnings? I'm not knocking him at all, he's a great rider and yes, appears committed to Ipswich and that was a great gesture so don't turn it into an 'I hate Emil narrative'. He won't be wanting to do the gp's for the money. Oh and that old tired argument of risking their life for our entertainment nonsense, it's a career they've chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 On 9/26/2024 at 7:20 AM, Roger Jacobs said: I'm not convinced that the GPs are a financial benefit to the riders - the prize money isn't life changing. The "risks his life for entertainment" trope is tired and meaningless. So if he comes top four in each meeting he would generate roughly £100,000+. That’s a decent amount to be taken away just because of politics. Plus additional sponsorship etc. Obviously Poland pays the highest but SGP is the next best financial benefit for a top speedway rider. It may be meaningless to you and yes it’s the sport they choose but it still doesn’t make the statement untrue does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 On 9/30/2024 at 4:12 PM, ShanoXtra said: So if he comes top four in each meeting he would generate roughly £100,000+. That’s a decent amount to be taken away just because of politics. Plus additional sponsorship etc. Obviously Poland pays the highest but SGP is the next best financial benefit for a top speedway rider. It may be meaningless to you and yes it’s the sport they choose but it still doesn’t make the statement untrue does it. How many riders finish in the top 4 in each GP? Interestingly, I've worked out that World Runner-Up Lambert won 101,500 Euros (roughly £84,500 at current exchange rates). That might help him and his team earn a reasonable living, but it's not going to generate much of a profit. 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 2 Report Share Posted October 2 On 9/26/2024 at 4:20 PM, Roger Jacobs said: I'm not convinced that the GPs are a financial benefit to the riders - the prize money isn't life changing. The "risks his life for entertainment" trope is tired and meaningless. Agree, when you see so many other jobs that are far more dangerous than speedway it does make you laugh when you read the old "they risk their lives for our entertainment " being churned out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 After the Brum statement I think it's a certainty that Brennan will be at Ipswich. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 19 minutes ago, TTT said: After the Brum statement I think it's a certainty that Brennan will be at Ipswich. No room for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 20 minutes ago, Youhave2minutes said: No room for King I'd imagine it will be a 40.00 limit if Brum don't come to tapes. Only clubs I could've seen pushing for a 39.00 limit was Birmingham and King's Lynn tbh. Therefore I'd say King & Brennan at 3 & 4 for Ipswich with Rew or Ellis departing the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, TTT said: I'd imagine it will be a 40.00 limit if Brum don't come to tapes. Only clubs I could've seen pushing for a 39.00 limit was Birmingham and King's Lynn tbh. Therefore I'd say King & Brennan at 3 & 4 for Ipswich with Rew or Ellis departing the side. 6 minutes ago, TTT said: I'd imagine it will be a 40.00 limit if Brum don't come to tapes. Only clubs I could've seen pushing for a 39.00 limit was Birmingham and King's Lynn tbh. Therefore I'd say King & Brennan at 3 & 4 for Ipswich with Rew or Ellis departing the side. Keep Rew whatever off load King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 4:19 PM, Roger Jacobs said: How many riders finish in the top 4 in each GP? Interestingly, I've worked out that World Runner-Up Lambert won 101,500 Euros (roughly £84,500 at current exchange rates). That might help him and his team earn a reasonable living, but it's not going to generate much of a profit. 1st I'm sure the real money coming from riding in the GPs would be sponsors, the prize money (at least for the top riders) I'd guess is more a bonus than anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 It’s official, no Emil in the SGP. Do we think this will affect him signing for next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 3 minutes ago, ShanoXtra said: It’s official, no Emil in the SGP. Do we think this will affect him signing for next season? No, it's going to be same old same old in 2025, with maybe one or two changes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 Be very happy to see Tom B at Foxhall 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue witch Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 13 hours ago, BluTiger said: No, it's going to be same old same old in 2025, with maybe one or two changes... That's all we need. A couple of fresh faces and 🤞 an injury free season and we should be good for success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted October 8 Author Report Share Posted October 8 12 hours ago, GeneralMelchett said: Be very happy to see Tom B at Foxhall Think it’s fair to say he’s the one most Witches fans want to see signed up this winter. If Emil comes back and joins Doyle, he won’t have to worry about riding at 1 or 5 like he did at Birmingham most of this year. A Doyle/Emil/Brennan top three is as potent as it comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 If Brennan is available he has to be targeted. Rides Foxhall well and he was outstanding in the Semi at Leicester. He’ll have plenty of offers though you’d assume and it all comes down to numbers also, especially if it drops to 39 and Sayfutdinov returns. That will make fitting Brennan in very difficult. We have to retain Ellis also for me. Again, unlucky with injury which meant he had a stop start season which affected his progress but when he had runs injury free he showed what he can do. 9.42 including bonus points home average this year. Current GSA of 5.47 still looks very cheap for his ability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 55 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: If Brennan is available he has to be targeted. Rides Foxhall well and he was outstanding in the Semi at Leicester. He’ll have plenty of offers though you’d assume and it all comes down to numbers also, especially if it drops to 39 and Sayfutdinov returns. That will make fitting Brennan in very difficult. We have to retain Ellis also for me. Again, unlucky with injury which meant he had a stop start season which affected his progress but when he had runs injury free he showed what he can do. 9.42 including bonus points home average this year. Current GSA of 5.47 still looks very cheap for his ability. Don't see the fascination with Ellis. Another who goes missing when needed most. Him and King really needed to step up this year when the top two were injured but didn't. Ellis has been around a while now , has to be well over 10 years and is still not a heatleader and is injury prone. Would get rid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pinny said: Don't see the fascination with Ellis. Another who goes missing when needed most. Him and King really needed to step up this year when the top two were injured but didn't. Ellis has been around a while now , has to be well over 10 years and is still not a heatleader and is injury prone. Would get rid. You’re not the only one who has said this and I don’t get this argument at all. Neither rider you mentioned is capable of “stepping up” to cater for the loss of two world class riders because they’re simply not at that level. It’s unfair to expect either to do so. Take your point about the injuries, and that’s clearly a factor in his average being what it currently is. But it’s only three season’s ago he finished with an 8+ average for Sheffield, and he’s still only 28 years of age. He’s still for me a bargain on 5 and a half and worth the risk on that figure. If you have a rider who would be 5th in your averages who’s averaging 9.42 at home then nobody is beating that team at Foxhall regardless of who they stick in their teams. Edited October 8 by Arch Stanton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: You’re not the only one who has said this and I don’t get this argument at all. Neither rider you mentioned is capable of “stepping up” to cater for the loss of two world class riders because they’re simply not at that level. It’s unfair to expect either to do so. Take your point about the injuries, and that’s clearly a factor in his average being what it currently is. But it’s only three season’s ago he finished with an 8+ average for Sheffield, and he’s still only 28 years of age. He’s still for me a bargain on 5 and a half and worth the risk on that figure. If you have a rider who would be 5th in your averages who’s averaging 9.42 at home then nobody is beating that team at Foxhall regardless of who they stick in their teams. They obviously werent expected to step up and be number ones but to deliver solid heat leader points each meeting and they didnt. Ellis has been around long enough now and should be hitting 7 plus year in year out and he isn't ... facts are he spends way too much time injured which is no use to any side chasing a title . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 9 Report Share Posted October 9 (edited) 4 hours ago, Arch Stanton said: You’re not the only one who has said this and I don’t get this argument at all. Neither rider you mentioned is capable of “stepping up” to cater for the loss of two world class riders because they’re simply not at that level. It’s unfair to expect either to do so. Take your point about the injuries, and that’s clearly a factor in his average being what it currently is. But it’s only three season’s ago he finished with an 8+ average for Sheffield, and he’s still only 28 years of age. He’s still for me a bargain on 5 and a half and worth the risk on that figure. If you have a rider who would be 5th in your averages who’s averaging 9.42 at home then nobody is beating that team at Foxhall regardless of who they stick in their teams. Many of today's riders in the number three and four berths were riding in higher positions in the teams until the GP riders came back... Creating almost a false expectation of their true capability... Some were "one and fives" only in a severely watered down top league.. Sheffield for example, had pretty much "3 top HL's" which can only dilute tbe scoring of their opposite numbers, four times a year.. Some perspective needed as to expectation levels I would suggest... Scoring points against Polish top tier riders is somewhat different than scoring points against other GB riders second tier HL's... Which, until the those top tier Polish riders came back, many riders had built their averages on... Riding against the same lads in both divisions several times a week... And to the likes of Bewley, Doyle, Emil, Fricke, Woffy, Jack Holder, Lidsey, Lindgren, Cook, and Janowski, you can add Chris Holder, Musielak, and Kurtz who are top tier level in all but name in Poland (Kurtz now riding their next season, plus being a GP rider).. As I say, perspective needed... Edited October 9 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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