Arch Stanton Posted Monday at 11:58 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:58 AM 6 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: If that 1-7 is in the play offs, they’re winning it. Even taking account of their record at your place. We do have an issue there it can’t be denied, but we had a similar issue at Sheffield before putting that right this year. Think we’ll get it right sooner or later and make a better fist of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted Monday at 12:12 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:12 PM 30 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: only have to qualify for the play offs. we have this nonsense every year about an unbeatable team, but with play offs then its about form at the right time. The witches management have given a clear indication on their thoughts of the class of ‘24. Not good enough so we will strengthen whilst our rivals get weaker. Take a leaf out you your managements book and wind your necks in about injuries costing you the league - it did’nt but fair play to Louis etc for trying to correct it in 2025 with an improved team. £££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted Monday at 12:24 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:24 PM They should also try to convince Doyle to be the team captain, he is inspirational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted Monday at 01:11 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:11 PM 2 hours ago, foreverblue said: Personally I would have preferred Rew to Ellis, Rew will only get better. I agree and suspect Rew will get much better as will TomB (if he is the final rider) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Monday at 01:52 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 01:52 PM 2 hours ago, Bojangles said: Where did you get 6.19 from? It's 6.43 Meetings: 31 Rides: 150 Points: 216 Bonus: 25 Total: 241 Average: 6.43 https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2024-rider-statistics/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bojangles Posted Monday at 02:09 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:09 PM 15 minutes ago, BluPanther said: https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2024-rider-statistics/ They're wrong. Those averages don't include any cup of playoff fixtures. Hardly 2024 averages! Typical British Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted Monday at 02:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:18 PM 9 minutes ago, Bojangles said: They're wrong. Those averages don't include any cup of playoff fixtures. Hardly 2024 averages! Typical British Speedway. Do cup and play off meetings count towards official averages ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue witch Posted Monday at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:37 PM 19 minutes ago, BluPanther said: Do cup and play off meetings count towards official averages ? No they don't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted Monday at 06:52 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:52 PM 4 hours ago, Bojangles said: They're wrong. Those averages don't include any cup of playoff fixtures. Hardly 2024 averages! Typical British Speedway. You on the wind up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted Monday at 08:18 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:18 PM 8 hours ago, ouch said: The witches management have given a clear indication on their thoughts of the class of ‘24. Not good enough so we will strengthen whilst our rivals get weaker. Take a leaf out you your managements book and wind your necks in about injuries costing you the league - it did’nt but fair play to Louis etc for trying to correct it in 2025 with an improved team. £££££ If it was all about £££ then Rew would've been in and Danny would have departed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted Monday at 08:41 PM Author Report Share Posted Monday at 08:41 PM 8 hours ago, ouch said: The witches management have given a clear indication on their thoughts of the class of ‘24. Not good enough so we will strengthen whilst our rivals get weaker. Take a leaf out you your managements book and wind your necks in about injuries costing you the league - it did’nt but fair play to Louis etc for trying to correct it in 2025 with an improved team. £££££ Ipswich are building to the exact same points limit as Belle Vue. And everyone else come to that. as Taps rightly says, if money wasn’t an issue Keynan Rew would have been in the side and King wouldn’t. Your anti Ipswich agenda is quite frankly bizarre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Monday at 08:46 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:46 PM 6 hours ago, Bojangles said: They're wrong. Those averages don't include any cup of playoff fixtures. Hardly 2024 averages! Typical British Speedway. Cup and play-off fixtures don't count in the Green Sheet averages (that's because teams compete in different numbers of Cup and PO) . However, the figures shown by BluPanther are for 2024 Prem matches, which are not the Green Sheets - the Final set of which can be found on the BSPL website under "2024 Declarations". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeandTV Posted Monday at 08:48 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:48 PM 6 hours ago, BluPanther said: Do cup and play off meetings count towards official averages ? There are no official '2024 averages'. The only official averages are the green sheet averages, which have nothing to do with individual years. The term '2024 average' can be taken in whatever context the poster wishes, whether that be every meeting or non cup and play-off. It seems a bit odd to discount cup and play-off matches to me as they took place in 2024 - but basically, you're both right in your own way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Monday at 09:04 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:04 PM 8 hours ago, ouch said: The witches management have given a clear indication on their thoughts of the class of ‘24. Not good enough so we will strengthen whilst our rivals get weaker. Take a leaf out you your managements book and wind your necks in about injuries costing you the league - it did’nt but fair play to Louis etc for trying to correct it in 2025 with an improved team. £££££ What a load of tosh! The 2024 team was clearly good enough, and injuries did ruin chances* of winning the play-offs - stated clearly by many fans, not just of the Witches. Of course, you can never say that winning the playoffs is nailed-on. Even so many favoured teams have seen their chances spoiled by injuries - it's the one aspect of play-offs that speedway is unable to cater for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted Monday at 09:09 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:09 PM 10 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Cup and play-off fixtures don't count in the Green Sheet averages (that's because teams compete in different numbers of Cup and PO) . However, the figures shown by BluPanther are for 2024 Prem matches, which are not the Green Sheets - the Final set of which can be found on the BSPL website under "2024 Declarations". What does the “GSA” stand for on the 2024 statistics page then? No they’re not rolling averages that are used for team building/positions, but they’re an accurate statistic over performance for this particular season. They show averages for League meetings this season with bonus points, and a Green Sheet average for League meetings this season. 8 minutes ago, CoffeeandTV said: There are no official '2024 averages'. The only official averages are the green sheet averages, which have nothing to do with individual years. The term '2024 average' can be taken in whatever context the poster wishes, whether that be every meeting or non cup and play-off. It seems a bit odd to discount cup and play-off matches to me as they took place in 2024 - but basically, you're both right in your own way. Well no it really can’t can it? It’s an accurate average on a full season’s performances in league meetings. Those stats don’t lie. I personally find these useful and a more accurate guide to a rider’s progression or regression from their previous season’s “average”. I do agree though that as these averages are not used for official purposes, they may as well include all meetings although with some riders riding play off meetings and some aren’t, it will skew them slightly for comparison purposes. As will some riders not riding every league meeting through injury but there’s nothing you can really do about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted Monday at 09:15 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:15 PM 6 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: What a load of tosh! The 2024 team was clearly good enough, and injuries did ruin chances* of winning the play-offs - stated clearly by many fans, not just of the Witches. Of course, you can never say that winning the playoffs is nailed-on. Even so many favoured teams have seen their chances spoiled by injuries - it's the one aspect of play-offs that speedway is unable to cater for. Ipswich were the best team this year the table proved it until Emil bit the dust. Just goes to show you need a bit of luck to stay injury free and get the job done. They’ll again build the best team on paper, you have to hope and pray lightening doesn’t strike twice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted Monday at 09:17 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:17 PM 16 minutes ago, CoffeeandTV said: There are no official '2024 averages'. The only official averages are the green sheet averages, which have nothing to do with individual years. The term '2024 average' can be taken in whatever context the poster wishes, whether that be every meeting or non cup and play-off. It seems a bit odd to discount cup and play-off matches to me as they took place in 2024 - but basically, you're both right in your own way. Technically, the Final set of Green Sheet averages is for the current year ... it's the only set that is relevant to 2025 team building (for those who rode in 2024). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted Monday at 09:21 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:21 PM 15 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: What a load of tosh! The 2024 team was clearly good enough, and injuries did ruin chances* of winning the play-offs - stated clearly by many fans, not just of the Witches. Of course, you can never say that winning the playoffs is nailed-on. Even so many favoured teams have seen their chances spoiled by injuries - it's the one aspect of play-offs that speedway is unable to cater for. He’s an obvious Troll. People should stop feeding him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderman1 Posted Monday at 09:27 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 09:27 PM 10 minutes ago, Steve Irving said: Ipswich were the best team this year the table proved it until Emil bit the dust. Just goes to show you need a bit of luck to stay injury free and get the job done. They’ll again build the best team on paper, you have to hope and pray lightening doesn’t strike twice! Yep by far the best team,there season to loose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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