foreverblue Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 3 minutes ago, AceBelle said: he was only 2nd string all season at B/vue so tough going straight to a number 1 ? That is the trade off, if you build strength in depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 3 hours ago, foreverblue said: Going to be tough for Ben at number one, he had a good season with Belle Vue but when you look at the other number ones he will struggle. Totally agree at 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 24 minutes ago, foreverblue said: That is the trade off, if you build strength in depth. time will tell on that one ? they are going to be strong at home for sure !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 39 minutes ago, AceBelle said: time will tell on that one ? they are going to be strong at home for sure !! You could say they are overly strong at reserve and Harris may not win every reserve race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Kings Lynn's side isn't built for heats 13 and 15. More like heat 2 ,12 14 etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackett Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Solid Stars - Lacking an out and out number one but a solid 1-7 nearly got Leicester over the line last season. Looks as though the Stars are looking at a similar structure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarBoy Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 3 minutes ago, Hackett said: Solid Stars - Lacking an out and out number one but a solid 1-7 nearly got Leicester over the line last season. Looks as though the Stars are looking at a similar structure. Can Kvech become the 9-point rider Fricke is though? That is the only question mark, he certainly has the ability to… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, StarBoy said: Can Kvech become the 9-point rider Fricke is though? That is the only question mark, he certainly has the ability to… I think he could make it up to an 8 average for sure… and if he does then I think we’ll make the playoffs, because everyone else will score their average or more most of the time! Especially at home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 5 minutes ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: I think he could make it up to an 8 average for sure… and if he does then I think we’ll make the playoffs, because everyone else will score their average or more most of the time! Especially at home I'd put Kvech at 4 personally. Rob has a great opportunity to switch riders around depending on the opposition. Could easily put Cook and Lawson as a pair and that gives Lawson heat 8 as well. Makes them strong in heats others aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Jacobs Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 18 minutes ago, FishersGate said: I'd put Kvech at 4 personally. Rob has a great opportunity to switch riders around depending on the opposition. Could easily put Cook and Lawson as a pair and that gives Lawson heat 8 as well. Makes them strong in heats others aren't. Cook will need support while he's at #1, so Lawson is the obvious choice for #2 because he's already very familiar with that position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 15 minutes ago, Roger Jacobs said: Cook will need support while he's at #1, so Lawson is the obvious choice for #2 because he's already very familiar with that position. Plus he rode with him at Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Connor Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Nobody is expecting cook to score 15 at number 1. I expect 7/8 in 4 rides. The thing is the whole team is capable of that also. That's all we need. Riders will have off nights. For every point 1 rider drops another has to gain!! I think we're going to be alright! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 52 minutes ago, FishersGate said: I'd put Kvech at 4 personally. Rob has a great opportunity to switch riders around depending on the opposition. Could easily put Cook and Lawson as a pair and that gives Lawson heat 8 as well. Makes them strong in heats others aren't. So you’d have Cook 1, Lawson 2 and Kvech 4?… so you’re trusting Iversen or Klindt to ride at 5?… if they put Lawson at 2 then Kvech needs to be 5 imo, especially whilst Harris is at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 (edited) Whichever of the 1-6 are at 1 & 5 are going to struggle for their period in those positions. Whichever of the 1-6 are at 2 & 6 should thrive in those positions. The 4 & 5 should hold the own. Can the 2 & 6 get the team a big enough lead before heats 13 & 15, where this team will be pretty much conceding 8 points home & away (two 5-1's against). Teams built this way are less capable of taking advantage of tactical substitutes & are more susceptible to tactical substitutes. Edited November 17 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 13 & 15 away might be tough but I’m not convinced we’ll be conceding 5-1’s at home every week in those heats. Last time Cook guested for us (versus Sheffield) he beat Jack & Chris Holder, including winning heat 15. Kvech also claimed some good scalps at home. In terms of line-up, I think I’d be looking at pairings of Cook & Lawson, Klindt & Iversen with Kvech at 5 but with option to move riders about, especially away. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 12 hours ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: So you’d have Cook 1, Lawson 2 and Kvech 4?… so you’re trusting Iversen or Klindt to ride at 5?… if they put Lawson at 2 then Kvech needs to be 5 imo, especially whilst Harris is at reserve It depends on who you are up against. At home Lawson will be probably end up at 5 but if I was up against a team away from home where I'm struggling to see wins in certain heats you can try target other heats like heat 8 and 14 etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Speedball said: 13 & 15 away might be tough but I’m not convinced we’ll be conceding 5-1’s at home every week in those heats. Last time Cook guested for us (versus Sheffield) he beat Jack & Chris Holder, including winning heat 15. Kvech also claimed some good scalps at home. In terms of line-up, I think I’d be looking at pairings of Cook & Lawson, Klindt & Iversen with Kvech at 5 but with option to move riders about, especially away. Quite agree, the top six are going to be strong at home and apart from Doyle & Emil who stand out I don't think we need to worry about heats 13 & 15 as much as some people think. As you say we saw some strong performances last season especially towards the end. Away from home might be different but we shall see Edited November 17 by Bagpuss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 40 minutes ago, Bagpuss said: Quite agree, the top six are going to be strong at home and apart from Doyle & Emil who stand out I don't think we need to worry about heats 13 & 15 as much as some people think. As you say we saw some strong performances last season especially towards the end. Away from home might be different but we shall see Trouble with Ben Cook is the away tracks like Ipswich and he was very poor at Oxford even in the championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTW Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 I think the line up would be 1.Cook2.Lawson3.Iversen4.klindt5.Kvech6.Harris7.Boughen makes sense to keep Lawson at no2 after last year in a similar strength team it worked for Leicester,Iversen and Klindt is pretty decent engine room and Kvech needs to go at 5 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 On 11/15/2024 at 12:46 PM, Daniel Smith said: Lawson should be at No1. The reductions are team building only. The 'Rolling Averages' take precedent. On 11/15/2024 at 7:31 PM, Gambo said: Correct. We get the same mistake rolled out by posters every year. On 11/15/2024 at 11:49 PM, szkocjasid said: Actually you're incorrect. We get the same mistake rolled out by posters every year. On 11/16/2024 at 10:38 AM, Gambo said: We will see who is correct in March/April. No need to wait, can clear this up now with two examples. 1) Jordan Jenkins finished 2023 on a 4.21 ave, started 2024 at reserve on his reduced 3.16 ave with Keynan Rew in the team on 4.00. 2) Danny King finished 2022 on an 8.26 ave, started 2023 at number five on his reduced 8.05 ave with Erik Riss at number one on 8.24. Both times a riders' reduced average, was used for team building & his team position. There is no "team building average only". Ben Cook will start at 1 for the Stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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