SteveLyric2 Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: Because I leave home at 5:30 when I go to speedway and I don’t get home until around 11-11:30… I don’t eat usually until 7pm ish, so you expect me to not eat or drink anything for the 6 hours I’m out? Have you heard of making your own sandwiches and taking a flask or similar? Edited November 9 by SteveLyric2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 1 minute ago, SteveLyric2 said: Have you heard of making your own sandwiches? I shouldn’t have to… but even so, take the food and drink out of the equation, why should I waste 20 odd quid on a ticket and petrol on a 100 mile round trip if we had a team that clearly wasn’t capable of getting top 4 from the start and being 2-3 points under the limit?… to be capable of getting into the top 4 we need a team that is no worse than Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen!! It’s as simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted November 9 Report Share Posted November 9 1 hour ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: Because I leave home at 5:30 when I go to speedway and I don’t get home until around 11-11:30… I don’t eat usually until 7pm ish, so you expect me to not eat or drink anything for the 6 hours I’m out? I expect you to eat every day. Regardless of whether you go to speedway or not. I know I eat every day. I don't only eat on days when I'm at a speedway meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 49 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: I expect you to eat every day. Regardless of whether you go to speedway or not. I know I eat every day. I don't only eat on days when I'm at a speedway meeting. I don’t usually spend £15 a night on food and drink though… But as I’ve already said, take the food and drink out of the equation, why should I waste 20 odd quid on a ticket and petrol on a 100 mile round trip if we had a team that clearly wasn’t capable of getting top 4 from the start and being 2-3 points under the limit?… to be capable of getting into the top 4 we need a team that is no worse than Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen!! It’s as simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 On 11/8/2024 at 7:00 PM, SpeedwayFan91 said: I think Ben will kick on, his average is 6.99 as it stands and I expect him to finish 2025 in the 7’s… can’t see him going down His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. On 11/8/2024 at 6:23 PM, 4BenMoran said: Be interesting to see if Ben Cook can take that next step as a Star in 2025, there’ll be more pressure on him in that side than there was at BV in 2024 Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? On 11/8/2024 at 10:21 PM, SpeedwayFan91 said: If our team is the team that’s been suggested B Cook, Iversen, Kvech, Klindt, Lawson, Harris, Boughen) then I think we have a good chance of making top 4… That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaddlebowRoad Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 6 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. cheers for that happy harry 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 2 hours ago, SaddlebowRoad said: cheers for that happy harry 👍 Course it will go down if he's number 1 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 9 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. If he stays at number 1 though then surely his average will go up… as Kvech and Lawson will add to their averages I’m sure… and if Cook doesn’t stay at 1 then his average will start going up again when he moves back to 2, 3 or 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 10 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. If you think that septet won’t win any away matches then you’re clueless, yeah it won’t win them all but it will probably win 20%, which will be enough if they win 90% of home matches (which will happen if all fit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 9 hours ago, Col said: That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. That's what the management want (regardless of what they say publicly). King's Lynn is built on the cheap. The aim is simple, just to TRY to win at home, and not by big margins, and be battered away. Let me explain by numbers because all we'll get back is King's Lynn do pay well blah, blah, blah. Here's an example. Say Ipswich average 44 per meeting at £400 per point for their septet that's £17,600 per meeting. King's Lynn could offer their septet exactly the same terms but it's built "on the cheap." King's Lynn average 40 per meeting at £400 per point, that's £16,000 per meeting. Over a season Ipswich pay £422,400 King's Lynn £384,000 Say, both clubs have similar attendances, King's Lynn are making better profits by being a cheaper, losing team. This is why King's Lynn is always built "on the cheap" these days, the management know, and don't want, big home wins & to many (if any at all) wins away. As long as you can get enough through the turnstiles, British Speedway don't actually offer real incentive to put together a 'winning team'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 11 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? Next season, Ben whilst at 1, will ride against the same opposition in his first three races. The difference for his fourth race will see him against 3&5 instead 4&7. You would think this will impact his scoring. The silver lining is that he will be partnered by a lesser rider than Jaimon and is more likely to be in front of his teammate. Ben scored the highest number of bonus points for The Aces (24) and had he finished in front of his teammate his average would have been 7.53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) Is it just me, but do any others think Kvech will prove to be a pretty good number 1 this season with the experience of last year beginning to learn tracks etc. If he can after the first average changes, with Ben riding in the middle order or at 5 would be a solid team, not playoff winners I imagine but certainly could get to them, a lot of ifs what's and maybes but probably won't lose many at home. Edited November 10 by gazzac 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 10 Author Report Share Posted November 10 (edited) 6 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: That's what the management want (regardless of what they say publicly). King's Lynn is built on the cheap. The aim is simple, just to TRY to win at home, and not by big margins, and be battered away. Let me explain by numbers because all we'll get back is King's Lynn do pay well blah, blah, blah. Here's an example. Say Ipswich average 44 per meeting at £400 per point for their septet that's £17,600 per meeting. King's Lynn could offer their septet exactly the same terms but it's built "on the cheap." King's Lynn average 40 per meeting at £400 per point, that's £16,000 per meeting. Over a season Ipswich pay £422,400 King's Lynn £384,000 Say, both clubs have similar attendances, King's Lynn are making better profits by being a cheaper, losing team. This is why King's Lynn is always built "on the cheap" these days, the management know, and don't want, big home wins & to many (if any at all) wins away. As long as you can get enough through the turnstiles, British Speedway don't actually offer real incentive to put together a 'winning team'. Ippo is a well supported club. Lynn are not. If you took say 300 of their supporters away every home meeting, I don’t think they would be able to build the same team as they do now. Edited November 10 by Bald Bloke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 On 11/8/2024 at 7:00 PM, SpeedwayFan91 said: I think Ben will kick on, his average is 6.99 as it stands and I expect him to finish 2025 in the 7’s… can’t see him going down 13 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. It could go either way. I'd expect Cook to improve as a rider, as he has done every season so far, which would normally up his average, but racing in a more tough position makes it harder. Let's say he's good enough to be an 8.00 rider at 4, that may translate to a 7.25 rider racing at 1? Anyway if King's Lynn have 6 riders within one point of each other, I doubt anyone would be at 1 or 6 all season, could change every month. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamKM91 Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 2 hours ago, gazzac said: Is it just me, but do any others think Kvech will prove to be a pretty good number 1 this season with the experience of last year beginning to learn tracks etc. If he can after the first average changes, with Ben riding in the middle order or at 5 would be a solid team, not playoff winners I imagine but certainly could get to them, a lot of ifs what's and maybes but probably won't lose many at home. I agree, I think Kvech will be at number 1 after the first average change or maybe the 2nd… Kvech Iversen Cook Harris Lawson Klindt Boughen, looks so much better than, Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen… I know it’s the same riders, but you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 10 Author Report Share Posted November 10 16 hours ago, Col said: His average will go down if he's at #1 rather than #4. Why would there be more pressure on him in a team that clearly won't compete, than in a team which expects to win the league? That septet will endure humiliation away from Saddlebow road almost every fixture. Blimey… who pi$$ed on your chips😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 1 hour ago, SpeedwayFan91 said: I agree, I think Kvech will be at number 1 after the first average change or maybe the 2nd… Kvech Iversen Cook Harris Lawson Klindt Boughen, looks so much better than, Cook Iversen Kvech Klindt Lawson Harris Boughen… I know it’s the same riders, but you know what I mean Give the team managers the option to line their team up how they want then they could have Kvech at number 1 if they wanted (need to have 2 lowest riders at reserve still). Would give the team manager more options as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 7 hours ago, Daniel Smith said: That's what the management want (regardless of what they say publicly). King's Lynn is built on the cheap. The aim is simple, just to TRY to win at home, and not by big margins, and be battered away. Let me explain by numbers because all we'll get back is King's Lynn do pay well blah, blah, blah. Here's an example. Say Ipswich average 44 per meeting at £400 per point for their septet that's £17,600 per meeting. King's Lynn could offer their septet exactly the same terms but it's built "on the cheap." King's Lynn average 40 per meeting at £400 per point, that's £16,000 per meeting. Over a season Ipswich pay £422,400 King's Lynn £384,000 Say, both clubs have similar attendances, King's Lynn are making better profits by being a cheaper, losing team. This is why King's Lynn is always built "on the cheap" these days, the management know, and don't want, big home wins & to many (if any at all) wins away. As long as you can get enough through the turnstiles, British Speedway don't actually offer real incentive to put together a 'winning team'. Of course they don't... There is almost zero financial gain from winning any title other than getting decent crowds for the play offs, (and even that may only balance out those who don't bother to attend when play off positions are confirmed well before the final matches).. Win at home, maintaining your crowds' interest, and then lose away, sometimes using guests when you have agreed to race knowing your best (and most expensive) rider, is unavailable.. It is a hobby for most, so they build a team that hopefully is competitive enough to keep the home turnstiles clicking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 46 minutes ago, Gambo95 said: Give the team managers the option to line their team up how they want then they could have Kvech at number 1 if they wanted (need to have 2 lowest riders at reserve still). Would give the team manager more options as well. Used to be that way, always remember Crump and Pedersen preferring to be at 5, gave the track time to bed in before their first ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FromBendThree Posted November 10 Report Share Posted November 10 1 hour ago, gazzac said: Used to be that way, always remember Crump and Pedersen preferring to be at 5, gave the track time to bed in before their first ride. Remember Nicki at 5 for Eastbourne Eagles with Floppy at 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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