foreverblue Posted Tuesday at 12:08 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:08 PM 5 hours ago, orion said: 12 points gives Belle Vue the edge Sheff have made a big mistake by Having Harris rather than RR. Harris was always going to struggle at 5, he isn't number 5 quality anymore but I doubt it will matter, Sheffield will win by 20 in my opinion and Harris will do much better at Sheffield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundthebend Posted Tuesday at 12:16 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:16 PM 1 hour ago, therefused said: I dont think its a one off, there is plenty of evidence the guy is an absolute spanner. And let’s face it you need a spanner with nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted Tuesday at 12:40 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:40 PM 29 minutes ago, foreverblue said: Harris was always going to struggle at 5, he isn't number 5 quality anymore but I doubt it will matter, Sheffield will win by 20 in my opinion and Harris will do much better at Sheffield. Really ? I would say the Bookies would price it up + 12 Bv making it a even contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur54 Posted Tuesday at 12:43 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:43 PM 2 hours ago, CTD26 said: Other than the family who it happened too? When will people stop defending the holder clan. They’re all a bunch on entitled 🔔 ends, they always have been and they always will be. Jack being the worst out of the lot of them. I wouldn't put Chris in the same category as the others, totally different to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted Tuesday at 01:03 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:03 PM 18 minutes ago, Arthur54 said: I wouldn't put Chris in the same category as the others, totally different to them He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted Tuesday at 01:19 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:19 PM 13 minutes ago, Bald Bloke said: He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:32 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, lisa-colette said: Edited Tuesday at 01:35 PM by AceBelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SAINT Posted Tuesday at 01:53 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:53 PM 33 minutes ago, screm said: If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this. what has that tweet got to do with sheffield speedway? A they are his own views and B he didn't ride for sheffield in 2019 ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 02:06 PM 45 minutes ago, screm said: If this is the case for the defence, its not a great look. One wonders what if anything Sheffield Speedway, his employer, make of this. You’ve no idea what got said to him only seeing his response, social media is an absolute nightmare for people hiding behind computer screens to abuse others. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odds On Posted Tuesday at 02:14 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 02:14 PM Fair play to Chris Holder and any rider who sticks up for themselves and gives a bit back...social media has born a free speech platform, where anybody can say what they want when ever they want about anything they want, whether it has any credence or any truth about it. Most of these riders that are tarnished with a bad name on social media and indeed on here are based on what they see on tv/streams and read on X/Facebook/forums,. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 02:15 PM (edited) this incident has reached the polish press i was reading a article about woffinden leaving wroclaw next season from a polish post at the end it said in other news jack holder upsets a child ?? and the mother of the child is waiting for an apolgy from jack holder & sheffield speedway ??? don't think this is going to go away ?? whoever is right ??? Edited Tuesday at 02:17 PM by AceBelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted Tuesday at 03:00 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 03:00 PM (edited) 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I don't think Harris was that bad, don't forget he's a 6 point rider, so 5 points away from home riding in the difficult number 5 position isn't a major shock. I agree he wasn't great, but average wise he wouldn't be expected to beat any Belle Vue heat leaders. In Thursday I'd certainly put Chris Holder at 5 & move Harris to a "second string" position. 5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. 8 hours ago, SaddlebowRoad said: you obviously bear a childish grudge but that's harsh, not sure who else he was meant to beat, he's not at his previous levels any more How? Everyone says play off Harris always raises his game and brings his A game. as previously proven he can decidedly below average. He won’t rank the NSS as his favourite track that’s true however he was supposed to be a Monmore specialist!! 5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par. On his last visit he scored 7 and beat Bewley, Cook and Lidsey. These are riders he has proved he can beat. Edited Tuesday at 03:02 PM by stevebrum Added information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauldoveyspeedway Posted Tuesday at 03:54 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 03:54 PM 53 minutes ago, stevebrum said: 5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. How? Everyone says play off Harris always raises his game and brings his A game. as previously proven he can decidedly below average. He won’t rank the NSS as his favourite track that’s true however he was supposed to be a Monmore specialist!! 5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par. On his last visit he scored 7 and beat Bewley, Cook and Lidsey. These are riders he has proved he can beat. Harris cant ride B.V...will be much better at Sheffield... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Tuesday at 04:23 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:23 PM 1 hour ago, stevebrum said: 5 points from a 6 point rider is pretty bad. 5 points from a 6 point rider is well below par. Surely a 6 point rider would be expected to score 7 at home & 5 away. So while 5 points wasn't a good performance how can one point off your average be "well below par" especially riding at number 5, meaning he meets Bewley & Kurtz twice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Tuesday at 04:25 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 04:25 PM 3 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess The fact that everyone is eager to believe the story without any evidence, should be a wake up call to Jack Holder to improve his attitude & actions, after all he is a professional sportsman, representing his sponsors / clubs / country. Had this story been about Emil Sayfutdinov, I would not have believed it at all! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted Tuesday at 06:52 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 06:52 PM 2 hours ago, szkocjasid said: The fact that everyone is eager to believe the story without any evidence, should be a wake up call to Jack Holder to improve his attitude & actions, after all he is a professional sportsman, representing his sponsors / clubs / country. Had this story been about Emil Sayfutdinov, I would not have believed it at all! Well the original post was from the child’s mother rather than hearsay. I always think there are 3 sides to every story with the truth being in the middle. if I was jack holder I’d invite the child and parents in question to Sheffield to watch the play off final and pay for them including a meal in the restaurant. All good publicity and doing the right thing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted Tuesday at 07:08 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:08 PM (edited) 16 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Well the original post was from the child’s mother rather than hearsay. I always think there are 3 sides to every story with the truth being in the middle. if I was jack holder I’d invite the child and parents in question to Sheffield to watch the play off final and pay for them including a meal in the restaurant. All good publicity and doing the right thing. there will be no one there empty staduim next thursday it will be 2nd leg at Leicester against Aces 🤣 Edited Tuesday at 07:09 PM by AceBelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisdonnelly Posted Tuesday at 07:27 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:27 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess Wow thats some front. Possible small man syndrome? I think some of these aussies are forgetting they are 4ft nothing & 50kg p@#sed wet through. Would absolutly love to meet one in person Edited Tuesday at 07:28 PM by Chrisdonnelly Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Tuesday at 07:33 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:33 PM 6 hours ago, Bald Bloke said: He must of grown up since he was 31 i guess What's the issue? Lots of respect for Chris... World Champions are a special breed... Met him once on the Monster rig at the SON.. A very decent lad.. Ignore social media knobheads.... Life is too short... And sometimes you come off worst.. Great to see him perform so well on Monday... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted Tuesday at 07:35 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:35 PM 37 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said: Well the original post was from the child’s mother rather than hearsay. I always think there are 3 sides to every story with the truth being in the middle. if I was jack holder I’d invite the child and parents in question to Sheffield to watch the play off final and pay for them including a meal in the restaurant. All good publicity and doing the right thing. On facebook, that well known platform of truth and honesty !! Everyone is taking her word as gospel and completely discounting Chris Holder's statement that it didn't happen. Is that because they know the woman personally and are confident she would only post the absolute truth ? Or is it because they dislike the Holder family and see an opportunity to jump on the bandwagon ? I wonder how many of those backing her statement would do the same if she said it about Doyle or Nicholls ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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