GiveusaB Posted Thursday at 08:55 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 08:55 AM 30 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: That doesn't make a difference, the averages have always been based on 4 rides, so amount of heats per match shouldn't change anything. 6 or 8 man teams would. True....brain fog! 😄 Although I'm guessing it would be easier to maintain a higher average ? (not having to compete against the best 2 riders in Heat 15?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Thursday at 09:18 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 09:18 AM 19 minutes ago, GiveusaB said: True....brain fog! 😄 Although I'm guessing it would be easier to maintain a higher average ? (not having to compete against the best 2 riders in Heat 15?) You would imagine the top riders should end up with higher averages, for example the two number ones only met once. By that logic others would have harder rides (no heat 12&14, where a top 4 rider meets a reserve) so middle order rider averages could have been lower? Apart from including bonus points, then they are higher. Simple really lol! I'll add a point about Oxford so it's relevant, I'm surprised they dropped Chris Harris, especially as they're apparently struggling for the last rider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveusaB Posted Thursday at 10:33 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:33 AM 1 hour ago, szkocjasid said: You would imagine the top riders should end up with higher averages, for example the two number ones only met once. By that logic others would have harder rides (no heat 12&14, where a top 4 rider meets a reserve) so middle order rider averages could have been lower? Apart from including bonus points, then they are higher. Simple really lol! I'll add a point about Oxford so it's relevant, I'm surprised they dropped Chris Harris, especially as they're apparently struggling for the last rider? Getting too technical for me 😄 As for Harris/ did they drop him, or did he prefer a move? Can only think that Oxford/B'ham are competing for Thorsell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted Thursday at 10:36 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:36 AM (edited) 14 hours ago, arnieg said: No it wasn't. The original limit was 50 including bonus. It was actually 52 (including bonus) in 1977. Reading were the first team to come a cropper, when it was found their new signing (Boleslaw Proch) had transgressed the rules and they had to release him - but not before Reg Fearman had run his team above the limit for a couple of months! Edited Thursday at 10:43 AM by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted Thursday at 10:57 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:57 AM 17 minutes ago, lucifer sam said: It was actually 52 (including bonus) in 1977. Reading were the first team to come a cropper, when it was found their new signing (Boleslaw Proch) had transgressed the rules and they had to release him - but not before Reg Fearman had run his team above the limit for a couple of months! Except that's only half the story. Proch actually replaced Glynn Taylor - which brought the Reading team's average down. Add Silver's spurious claim that Reading should only have one work permit rider and the latitude allowed Bristol and White City then I will continue to assert we were stiched up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted Thursday at 11:36 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:36 AM (edited) 40 minutes ago, arnieg said: Except that's only half the story. Proch actually replaced Glynn Taylor - which brought the Reading team's average down. Add Silver's spurious claim that Reading should only have one work permit rider and the latitude allowed Bristol and White City then I will continue to assert we were stiched up. More than likely! Although Cradley Heath were also blocked from bringing in a lower average rider in 1979 (Teromaa for Bastable), because it still left them over the point limit, which was 50 by then. At some point after that, it was allowed to make a change as long as the rider coming in had a lower average, even if that change still left you above the limit (i.e. the rule that has stayed in place to this day). I've never completely understood how the 1977 points limit worked. I think it was based on start of season averages rather than how they developed across the season. By 1979, it was current averages and several teams ran squad systems at the start of the season to manipulate a way around the 50 point limit! Edited Thursday at 11:38 AM by lucifer sam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyLaner Posted Friday at 01:20 PM Report Share Posted Friday at 01:20 PM Apparently a piece in the Speedway Star about us going on a global search for our 7th rider. I.E we’re finishing 7th. Perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted yesterday at 08:17 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:17 AM On 1/10/2025 at 1:20 PM, SandyLaner said: Apparently a piece in the Speedway Star about us going on a global search for our 7th rider. I.E we’re finishing 7th. Perfect. Going Global, that means Europe then as there aren’t any riders in the USA or Australia who are unattached that would be of suitable standard……unless Wiltshire is coming out of retirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted yesterday at 09:35 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:35 AM On 1/10/2025 at 1:20 PM, SandyLaner said: Apparently a piece in the Speedway Star about us going on a global search for our 7th rider. I.E we’re finishing 7th. Perfect. That means you are ending up with someone nowhere near the points left available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted yesterday at 10:22 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 10:22 AM In one way it's a positive that Oxford (& Birmingham) haven't completed their teams. You'd think they could very easily sign British based riders like Batchelor, Kerr or Sedgmen, I can't imagine any of them turning down a doubling up spot? They are already based here, so don't have to worry about flights etc. The fact they haven't signed them must mean they are looking at stronger options, which has to be a positive right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted 14 hours ago Report Share Posted 14 hours ago 10 hours ago, szkocjasid said: In one way it's a positive that Oxford (& Birmingham) haven't completed their teams. You'd think they could very easily sign British based riders like Batchelor, Kerr or Sedgmen, I can't imagine any of them turning down a doubling up spot? They are already based here, so don't have to worry about flights etc. The fact they haven't signed them must mean they are looking at stronger options, which has to be a positive right? They may well have already signed one of your suggestions but the fans would not like that so that is why no announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted 4 hours ago Report Share Posted 4 hours ago 10 hours ago, foreverblue said: They may well have already signed one of your suggestions but the fans would not like that so that is why no announcement. "We have scoured the globe, left no stone unturned, etc etc etc"... "However no one was prepared to race over here at the moment, (and we asked some very top level riders)".. "Therefore, we have signed (fill in second string level riders name here), and feel that he, like the rest of the team, can put a point on their averages"... "Teams with strength in depth can often be very successful, Peterborough for example etc etc etc ." .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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