Youhave2minutes Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 I don’t know, what you all think but I’m all for clubs to have team managers who are ex riders. I think with them having rode in the past they are more respected and have a greater understanding with one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rusky Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 Definitley not. 3 of the most successful, popular with both fans & riders alike in terms of respect, managers have never thrown a leg over a speedway machine (well, not in anger) - Step forwards Peter Adams, Tim Sugar & Rob Lyon Reading various comments in regard to Birmingham on this forum, only go to prove how inaccurate your statement is 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 It’s an interesting question, but also a tough one. I often wonder how a Glasgow rider responds to criticism - both personally and in media snippets - from Cami Brown, someone who isn’t an ex-rider. I’m neither, but believe it entirely human to struggle to take advice and/or criticism from someone who hasn’t walked in your shoes. Having said that, I don’t believe the role of a manager in speedway is as critical to the team’s success as that of, for example, a football manager. Beyond assisting the promotion in building a team and making appropriate substitutions which are often blatant to all, the input is largely restricted in impacting the ultimate goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted September 6 Author Report Share Posted September 6 3 hours ago, rusky said: Definitley not. 3 of the most successful, popular with both fans & riders alike in terms of respect, managers have never thrown a leg over a speedway machine (well, not in anger) - Step forwards Peter Adams, Tim Sugar & Rob Lyon Reading various comments in regard to Birmingham on this forum, only go to prove how inaccurate your statement is You are always going to get the exceptions, hence Adams and Lyon. However Belle Vue Lemon Sheffield Stead Oxford Schroek Ipswich Hawkins Birmingham Ermolenko and Poole the most successful club in the U.K. with Middleditch and Havelock all these as examples and I guess there may be more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoundTheBoards Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 Currently, in the top division at least, there seem to be more ex-riders as managers. Some ex-riders are good managers, and some ex-riders are at Birmingham. But back in the heyday, I'd say the best managers were non-riders. Ian Thomas, John Berry, Martin Rogers, Pete Adams etc. (although Len Silver, Eric Boocock, Colin Pratt could dispute that). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 On 9/6/2024 at 3:23 PM, rusky said: Definitley not. 3 of the most successful, popular with both fans & riders alike in terms of respect, managers have never thrown a leg over a speedway machine (well, not in anger) - Step forwards Peter Adams, Tim Sugar & Rob Lyon Reading various comments in regard to Birmingham on this forum, only go to prove how inaccurate your statement is And Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted September 8 Report Share Posted September 8 I think you only have to quote Poole Speedway to prove that an ex-rider TM works. Trophy cabinet overflowing. Not saying that this always the case - there are and have been some inept TM's both ex riders and non riders. Another ex rider from the past is Tommy Price of West Ham 1965 fame. Won the lot .... BL , KO cup and London Cup. Did it for one year then retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted Wednesday at 12:57 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 12:57 PM On 9/8/2024 at 12:03 PM, old bob at herne bay said: I think you only have to quote Poole Speedway to prove that an ex-rider TM works. Trophy cabinet overflowing. Not saying that this always the case - there are and have been some inept TM's both ex riders and non riders. Another ex rider from the past is Tommy Price of West Ham 1965 fame. Won the lot .... BL , KO cup and London Cup. Did it for one year then retired. No disrespect to middlo or havvy but they have no say in team building I believe, they are given a team to manage,assembled by matt and or Danny Ford .Rosco on the other hand , built the teams he managed ,as did Pete Adams 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundthebend Posted Wednesday at 01:06 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 01:06 PM On 9/8/2024 at 11:41 AM, Skodaman said: And Stuart Dickson Not at Berwick he’s not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted Wednesday at 01:56 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 01:56 PM I wonder if the good ex-rider managers would have been just as good managers without their riding experience, don't know how much skill you can transfer from riding to managing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted Wednesday at 02:52 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 02:52 PM Eric Boocock. Dent Oliver, Frank Varey, all ex riders who had great success as Team Managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted Wednesday at 03:13 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 03:13 PM On 9/8/2024 at 12:03 PM, old bob at herne bay said: I think you only have to quote Poole Speedway to prove that an ex-rider TM works. Trophy cabinet overflowing. Not saying that this always the case - there are and have been some inept TM's both ex riders and non riders. Another ex rider from the past is Tommy Price of West Ham 1965 fame. Won the lot .... BL , KO cup and London Cup. Did it for one year then retired. Middlo had / has the easiest TM job in the British Speedway. Matt Ford's money is the one & only reason for Poole's success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundthebend Posted Wednesday at 03:49 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 03:49 PM 36 minutes ago, Daniel Smith said: Middlo had / has the easiest TM job in the British Speedway. Matt Ford's money is the one & only reason for Poole's success I think you are bang on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bob at herne bay Posted Wednesday at 04:58 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 04:58 PM 3 hours ago, castrolargh said: No disrespect to middlo or havvy but they have no say in team building I believe, they are given a team to manage,assembled by matt and or Danny Ford .Rosco on the other hand , built the teams he managed ,as did Pete Adams Mmmm... but MANAGE them they do ....... I dont think the riders get away with much under the command of Middlo and to a much lesser extent Havelock. So many riders at Poole seem to blossom and run into form under the command of Middlo.... who offer s them a bike workshop and accommodation at Baillie House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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