Torun GP Saturday 28th September

[szkocjasid]

8 minutes ago, Fromafar said:

That should silence the doubters because when the going gets tough Bartosz comes up with the goods when it matters. Great Champion.

It didn't matter, he was already world champ.

But he showed his class & ability to win the meeting after a slow start.

[LagutaRacingFan]

Just a reminder that Zmarzlik is 2nd in the Polish league averages.

The idea he is the best rider in the world is laughable.

The best rider in the world doesn't ride in the GPs.

Edited September 28 by LagutaRacingFan

[midlandred]

1 hour ago, Shrimmy said:

Haha you are quality…predictive that’s all pal

“Would he of had it so easy” wasn’t predictive text, though!

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 hours ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

lets not have a go at our own though, hes been very good this year

sometimes i think familiarity can breed contempt on your own track if it's not the same as usual

and im not sure tonights result has too much bearing on next season really or anyones mindset tbh

I’m not having a go at lambert, he has had a great season but the only way someone is going to dethrone zmarzlik is to get in his head and lambert had that chance tonight 

[DJC]

Lambert owes Bewley a pint or two I think. 

[Trees]

6 hours ago, mikebv said:

Carl Fogarty only rode over here once a season....

He still made WSB a hugely watched satellite TV production, and moved his own personal fame well into the wider mainstream media..

 

But surely people would want to watch Robert race on tv like they did Foggy and that wouldn't be British league racing?  Bewley on the other hand ....... it's all about the money to do it with too?

If Discovery+ can't get any reports about the SGP into our msm I dunno who can?

[IainB]

Just a bit of fun... pick the bones out of this:

		Pts	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	Total	Pts Diff	New Rank	Rank Diff
1	Bartosz Zmarzlik	179	14	15	17	17	17	16	7	11	14	17	13	158	-21	1	0
2	Robert Lambert	144	12	12	11	12	14	4	14	13	11	15	7	125	-19	2	0
3	Fredrik Lindgren	141	11	7	4	14	8	17	13	15	14	4	12	119	-22	3	0
4	Daniel Bewley	127	5	9	11	5	9	7	15	10	15	10	13	109	-18	5	1
5	Martin Vaculik	122	6	14	8	20	6	10	9	17	8	11	8	117	-5	4	-1
6	Jack Holder	106	18	11	13	6	14	9	11	6	2	4	11	105	-1	6	0
7	Mikkel Michelsen	101	7	8	15	9	10	15	12	11	0			87	-14	8	1
8	Dominik Kubera	98	8	2	13	11	10	4	12	6	6	9	14	95	-3	7	-1
9	Leon Madsen	94	9	2	10	6	5	13	7	7	9		13	81	-13	9	0
10	Andzejs Lebedevs	79	5	6	5	8			11	7	14	11	4	71	-8	10	0
11	Max Fricke	69				13	16	5	5	6	12	8	4	69	0	11	0
12	Kai Huckenbeck	61	11	9	5	2	3	10	3	4	8	4	3	62	1	12	0
13	Szymon Wozniak	58	6	9	8	7	7	9	3	1	4	3	2	59	1	13	0
14	Maciej Janowski	52						3	9	10	11	14	7	54	2	14	0
15	Jan Kvech	47	6	5	0	3	2	7	3	3	7	5	11	52	5	15	0
16	Jason Doyle	24	12	20	9									41	17	16	0
17	Patryk Dudek	23								11			14	25	2	17	0
18	Tai Woffinden	9	3	6	8	1	4	3						25	16	17	-1
19	Rasmus Jensen	8										9		9	1	20	1
20	Kim Nilsson	7					2					7	1	10	3	19	-1
21	Anders Thomsen	6										7		7	1	21	0
22	Oskar Fajfer	4						5						5	1	22	0
23	Tom Brennan	4							4					4	0	23	0
24	Vaclav Milik	3				4								4	1	23	-1
25	Daniil Kolodinski	3									3			3	0	26	1
26	Mateusz Cierniak	2		3										3	1	26	0
27	Norick Blodorn	2			1									1	-1	28	1
28	Matej Zagar	1	4											4	3	23	-5

[Fromafar]

While Kelvin and Chris have this big discussion on gate picks.Bartosz has won his last 2 Gps without a gate pick in Semi’s or Final.Is it so important.

[racers and royals]

Just now, Fromafar said:

While Kelvin and Chris have this big discussion on gate picks.Bartosz has won his last 2 Gps without a gate pick in Semi’s or Final.Is it so important.

As long as as they are all reasonably fair - no

[Fromafar]

20 minutes ago, racers and royals said:

As long as as they are all reasonably fair - no

They certainly were more even at Torun over the weekend,probably due to some daredevil riding from some riders.Good GP .IMO

[arnieg]

1 hour ago, IainB said:

Just a bit of fun... pick the bones out of this:

		Pts	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	Total	Pts Diff	New Rank	Rank Diff
1	Bartosz Zmarzlik	179	14	15	17	17	17	16	7	11	14	17	13	158	-21	1	0
2	Robert Lambert	144	12	12	11	12	14	4	14	13	11	15	7	125	-19	2	0
3	Fredrik Lindgren	141	11	7	4	14	8	17	13	15	14	4	12	119	-22	3	0
4	Daniel Bewley	127	5	9	11	5	9	7	15	10	15	10	13	109	-18	5	1
5	Martin Vaculik	122	6	14	8	20	6	10	9	17	8	11	8	117	-5	4	-1
6	Jack Holder	106	18	11	13	6	14	9	11	6	2	4	11	105	-1	6	0
7	Mikkel Michelsen	101	7	8	15	9	10	15	12	11	0			87	-14	8	1
8	Dominik Kubera	98	8	2	13	11	10	4	12	6	6	9	14	95	-3	7	-1
9	Leon Madsen	94	9	2	10	6	5	13	7	7	9		13	81	-13	9	0
10	Andzejs Lebedevs	79	5	6	5	8			11	7	14	11	4	71	-8	10	0
11	Max Fricke	69				13	16	5	5	6	12	8	4	69	0	11	0
12	Kai Huckenbeck	61	11	9	5	2	3	10	3	4	8	4	3	62	1	12	0
13	Szymon Wozniak	58	6	9	8	7	7	9	3	1	4	3	2	59	1	13	0
14	Maciej Janowski	52						3	9	10	11	14	7	54	2	14	0
15	Jan Kvech	47	6	5	0	3	2	7	3	3	7	5	11	52	5	15	0
16	Jason Doyle	24	12	20	9									41	17	16	0
17	Patryk Dudek	23								11			14	25	2	17	0
18	Tai Woffinden	9	3	6	8	1	4	3						25	16	17	-1
19	Rasmus Jensen	8										9		9	1	20	1
20	Kim Nilsson	7					2					7	1	10	3	19	-1
21	Anders Thomsen	6										7		7	1	21	0
22	Oskar Fajfer	4						5						5	1	22	0
23	Tom Brennan	4							4					4	0	23	0
24	Vaclav Milik	3				4								4	1	23	-1
25	Daniil Kolodinski	3									3			3	0	26	1
26	Mateusz Cierniak	2		3										3	1	26	0
27	Norick Blodorn	2			1									1	-1	28	1
28	Matej Zagar	1	4											4	3	23	-5

You've missed out Kvech's score, and everything else needs to move down one in the GP pts column.

[IainB]

11 minutes ago, arnieg said:

You've missed out Kvech's score, and everything else needs to move down one in the GP pts column.

Thanks! I think it shows that there's no real difference in scoring systems, it's just that one is a hell of a lot easier to work out come crunch time than the other. And Zmarzlik's season was nowhere near as bad as some were making it out to be... he had one duffer

		Pts	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	Total	Pts Diff	New Rank	Rank Diff
1	Bartosz Zmarzlik	179	14	15	17	17	17	16	7	11	14	17	13	158	-21	1	0
2	Robert Lambert	144	12	12	11	12	14	4	14	13	11	15	7	125	-19	2	0
3	Fredrik Lindgren	141	11	7	4	14	8	17	13	15	14	4	12	119	-22	3	0
4	Daniel Bewley	127	5	9	11	5	9	7	15	10	15	10	13	109	-18	5	1
5	Martin Vaculik	122	6	14	8	20	6	10	9	17	8	11	8	117	-5	4	-1
6	Jack Holder	106	18	11	13	6	14	9	11	6	2	4	11	105	-1	6	0
7	Mikkel Michelsen	101	7	8	15	9	10	15	12	11	0			87	-14	8	1
8	Dominik Kubera	98	8	2	13	11	10	4	12	6	6	9	14	95	-3	7	-1
9	Leon Madsen	94	9	2	10	6	5	13	7	7	9		13	81	-13	9	0
10	Andzejs Lebedevs	79	5	6	5	8			11	7	14	11	4	71	-8	10	0
11	Max Fricke	69				13	16	5	5	6	12	8	4	69	0	11	0
12	Kai Huckenbeck	61	11	9	5	2	3	10	3	4	8	4	3	62	1	12	0
13	Szymon Wozniak	58	6	9	8	7	7	9	3	1	4	3	2	59	1	13	0
14	Maciej Janowski	52						3	9	10	11	14	7	54	2	14	0
15	Jan Kvech	52	6	5	0	3	2	7	3	3	7	5	11	52	0	15	0
16	Jason Doyle	24	12	20	9									41	17	16	0
17	Patryk Dudek	23								11			14	25	2	17	0
18	Tai Woffinden	9	3	6	8	1	4	3						25	16	17	-1
19	Rasmus Jensen	8										9		9	1	20	1
20	Kim Nilsson	7					2					7	1	10	3	19	-1
21	Anders Thomsen	6										7		7	1	21	0
22	Oskar Fajfer	4						5						5	1	22	0
23	Tom Brennan	4							4					4	0	23	0
24	Vaclav Milik	3				4								4	1	23	-1
25	Daniil Kolodinski	3									3			3	0	26	1
26	Mateusz Cierniak	2		3										3	1	26	0
27	Norick Blodorn	2			1									1	-1	28	1
28	Matej Zagar	1	4											4	3	23	-5

Edited September 29 by IainB

[SaddlebowRoad]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

While Kelvin and Chris have this big discussion on gate picks.Bartosz has won his last 2 Gps without a gate pick in Semi’s or Final.Is it so important.

i don't think it is, lambert & bewley have recieved criticism for recent picks but for me you just need to make a good start whatever gate you are on, easy to blame the helmet colour rather than the rider 

[IainB]

3 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

i don't think it is, lambert & bewley have recieved criticism for recent picks but for me you just need to make a good start whatever gate you are on, easy to blame the helmet colour rather than the rider 

There's many factors to take into consideration though, not least the track, there was a hell of an outside line there last night for those that there brave enough to use it... but when you're at Cardiff, Riga, Prague or Vojens the gate pick will be far more important

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, Fromafar said:

While Kelvin and Chris have this big discussion on gate picks.Bartosz has won his last 2 Gps without a gate pick in Semi’s or Final.Is it so important.

This goes back to what I was saying on a previous post, that when you pick a gate you automatically think have I made the right choice but when you’re left with last choice and no choice that slight doubt isn’t there, speedway is a massive psychological sport, these things matter, in the final last night Dan picks gate one despite his wins were using the dirt on the fence, so why not pick gate 3or 4 ? Because he knows unless he makes a decent start he will get blocked and so picks 1 but then thinks Freddie has also been flying off 4 so he automatically has a contrasting thought 

Edited September 29 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[BangerBoy]

12 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said:

Just a reminder that Zmarzlik is 2nd in the Polish league averages.

The idea he is the best rider in the world is laughable.

The best rider in the world doesn't ride in the GPs.

Maybe if Putin stopped trying to take over europe then maybe will be back in SGP

 

[topaz325]

Again Bartoz edging ahead of other riders before the start of the final in the pits, all little things to get the edge.

I thought the Dan exclusion was 50/50 , it looked different depending on what camera angle was shown but im sure the ref looked at every angle available to him.

Good GP , plenty of passing and two British lads in the top four in the world.

Edited September 29 by topaz325

[SaddlebowRoad]

15 minutes ago, IainB said:

There's many factors to take into consideration though, not least the track, there was a hell of an outside line there last night for those that there brave enough to use it... but when you're at Cardiff, Riga, Prague or Vojens the gate pick will be far more important

absolutely agree but they are the guys who have been riding the track and using the gates so their choices are based on what theyve done that night, there will always be a reason 

if they make a crap start people seem to automatically blame the pick rather than a poor reaction etc

 

[LagutaRacingFan]

17 minutes ago, BangerBoy said:

Maybe if Putin stopped trying to take over europe then maybe will be back in SGP

 

What has that got to do with Artem?

When the USA invaded Iraq, I don't remember the FIM banning Hancock.

 

[BangerBoy]

1 minute ago, LagutaRacingFan said:

What has that got to do with Artem?

When the USA invaded Iraq, I don't remember the FIM banning Hancock.

 

Did not Iraq invade someone first?