szkocjasid Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 4 hours ago, Jonnybegood said: Oh yes he can , limit is lowered to 3.00 I've never seen that anywhere, I really hope it's not true. Does nothing to help British riders get team places. If a foreigner can't reach a 4.00 average, should they really be taking the places of Brits at reserve? Look at Poland, they look after their own & dominate world speedway (except the SON). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 3 hours ago, DJC said: His green sheet is 4 and they only have 3.97 to play with? Just checked and on the declarations page he's classed as a 4 but on the stats section says his green sheet is 3.88. Who knows what he would actually come in on, presumably they could be trying to argue for the latter to fit him in.  I wouldn't go by to the stats section, as it says "these are not official averages" for example it has Hodder on 1.52, but he rides on the minimum 2.00. Ivacic should be 4.00 unless the rules have changed. If the rules have changed & foreigners can drop below 4, then I think he's the best option suggested yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neila Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 2 hours ago, lewy said: I don't think she averaged more than trigger,I don't think you will see her again in British speedway. Probably correct, would/did struggle round your laal track every week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted February 10 Report Share Posted February 10 23 minutes ago, Neila said: Probably correct, would/did struggle round your laal track every week She struggled at most tracks really, needs to learn how to gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 I know I shouldn't mention football but a massive well done to Plymouth Argyle beating Liverpool, Man City next! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 12 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I wouldn't go by to the stats section, as it says "these are not official averages" for example it has Hodder on 1.52, but he rides on the minimum 2.00. Ivacic should be 4.00 unless the rules have changed. If the rules have changed & foreigners can drop below 4, then I think he's the best option suggested yet. Not unusually there’s nothing concrete in the SCB regs for the exact scenario but this is mentioned as part of another blurb ‘Any rider not eligible for the British Development Leagues, with an established average, cannot drop below 3.00 in the Premiership or Championship Leagues at any time during the season.’ However I can’t find any mention of if this is being retroactively applied to the end of last season averages  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 13 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I've never seen that anywhere, I really hope it's not true. Does nothing to help British riders get team places. If a foreigner can't reach a 4.00 average, should they really be taking the places of Brits at reserve? Look at Poland, they look after their own & dominate world speedway (except the SON). I have not seen that anywhere either so it is his head unless proven otherwise, do not see any reason why they would drop it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJC Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 15 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I wouldn't go by to the stats section, as it says "these are not official averages" for example it has Hodder on 1.52, but he rides on the minimum 2.00. Ivacic should be 4.00 unless the rules have changed. If the rules have changed & foreigners can drop below 4, then I think he's the best option suggested yet. I have seen that on there, but who knows what they would actually use these days. @gmuncie suggested there isn't a specific call out for it and, all in the interest's of the sport and all that. It would make sense if they are trying to use up their points that they'd be trying to argue an average. Otherwise surely Trigger would have been in a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 22 hours ago, lewy said: Could be the one,I know the Plymouth promotion have been in contact with ivacic last season but obviously we couldnt compete with the likes of Glasgows financial clout. I wish you had competed he was Sh!te. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 13 minutes ago, Gazc said: I wish you had competed he was Sh!te. Yet he's brilliant on the continent. I've never understood why some riders come to this country and struggle so much, is it really all down to the tracks or something else? Surely we have similar size and shape tracks as Sweden and Denmark do we not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB723 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Diamonds85 said: Yet he's brilliant on the continent. I've never understood why some riders come to this country and struggle so much, is it really all down to the tracks or something else? Surely we have similar size and shape tracks as Sweden and Denmark do we not? The reason I always see mentioned is track material, not sure if that's a main factor or not though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds85 Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 10 minutes ago, MB723 said: The reason I always see mentioned is track material, not sure if that's a main factor or not though What's the difference? Genuinely curious. Are the tracks in this country heavier than say Denmark and Sweden. I've watched a lot of speedway in Poland and the material does seem quite fine is probably the best way to describe it. But I'd have thought Denmark and Sweden had similarly heavy tracks compared to us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 9 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: What's the difference? Genuinely curious. Are the tracks in this country heavier than say Denmark and Sweden. I've watched a lot of speedway in Poland and the material does seem quite fine is probably the best way to describe it. But I'd have thought Denmark and Sweden had similarly heavy tracks compared to us? Because in reality its the same as British riders going abroad and in the main struggling. Okay, you have your Bewleys, Lamberts and Woffys who succeed but how many others hold down regular spots in the top leagues over seas? If you watch racing from Swedish and Danish tracks, you will realize they aren't actually that similar to UK tracks. And Polish tracks definitely aren't. It's what makes it even more impressive when you see a foreign rider come to the UK and hit the ground running straight away. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 15 hours ago, Diamonds85 said: Yet he's brilliant on the continent. I've never understood why some riders come to this country and struggle so much, is it really all down to the tracks or something else? Surely we have similar size and shape tracks as Sweden and Denmark do we not? Track prep maybe,never seems to be the same each week at some tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 12 Report Share Posted February 12 (edited) Tracks abroad are generally much much slicker than here. Denmark is known for really slick surfaces (but often bumpy) and Poland is very much on the stop for all four laps - Musielak said as much in the Star a couple of weeks ago - he could ride in Poland whilst injured last season as it's pretty simple but in the UK you have to turn harder, tracks can be narrow and much grippier in general. Edited February 13 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCS Posted Sunday at 11:07 PM Report Share Posted Sunday at 11:07 PM Have I missed Plymouths last signing. I hear Ben trigger is or was tipped for there last place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky_Mark Posted Monday at 12:58 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:58 PM 13 hours ago, SCS said: Have I missed Plymouths last signing. I hear Ben trigger is or was tipped for there last place. There’s been no announcement of the last rider for Plymouth yet. Most speculation linked Ben Trigger, being the obvious choice as a local lad with an average that fits but the last time Ben was asked he’d said he didn’t have a championship place or any offers. You might also be correct in thinking that if it was to be Ben then it would have been announced by now as surely would have been straight forward to do a deal, maybe Plymouth have an ace up their sleeve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted Monday at 02:40 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 02:40 PM 1 hour ago, Marky_Mark said: There’s been no announcement of the last rider for Plymouth yet. Most speculation linked Ben Trigger, being the obvious choice as a local lad with an average that fits but the last time Ben was asked he’d said he didn’t have a championship place or any offers. You might also be correct in thinking that if it was to be Ben then it would have been announced by now as surely would have been straight forward to do a deal, maybe Plymouth have an ace up their sleeve? He's at Redcar..... (sorry, couldn't resist!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Monday at 06:12 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:12 PM I have to admit I keep trying not to put overly sarcastic comments on their FB posts about the last rider, when they put out an "are you ready for the 2025 season" video, I wanted to reply "ARE YOU?" Then when they have their UK weather chase special event which mentions "meet the riders" I wanted to reply HOW MANY? So tried to reply with gentle reminders that they still need a 7th rider, without appearing to slag them off too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted Monday at 06:17 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 06:17 PM 1 minute ago, szkocjasid said: I have to admit I keep trying not to put overly sarcastic comments on their FB posts about the last rider, when they put out an "are you ready for the 2025 season" video, I wanted to reply "ARE YOU?" Then when they have their UK weather chase special event which mentions "meet the riders" I wanted to reply HOW MANY? So tried to reply with gentle reminders that they still need a 7th rider, without appearing to slag them off too much. Maybe Plymouth are ready and the deal is done,just not released details yet. I think most Plymouth fans know who the final rider is not my place to post anything I only like revealing Poole's riders before they do😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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