Poole 2025

[Starman2006]

1 hour ago, Skidder1 said:

Jealousy is such an ugly trait, it can drive you to distraction, when you should really keep your eyes on the road,

Your hands apon the wheel . See what i did there .

[HGould]

There is a serious danger of a self perpetuating doom-loop scenario killing even more Clubs here.

The avowed intent of the likes of Adrian Smith initially and then Phil Morris and very much supported by the likes of Rob Godfrey, was to have clear blue water between a televised Premier product and the Championship product. The logic being, its easier to sell both products when they are not blurred by the fact that 80% plus of the PL riders double down.

The race by several CL Clubs to compete and pay money they cannot / could not afford is clear and it looked like we were beginning to see some clear blue water with a lowering of the CL limit, bringing in some sanity and a refusal to continue to pay PL heat leaders big guarantees to ride in the CL.

It seems from this thread that the lunatics have regained control of the asylum; and if the CL limit rises again and the return/continuance of almost all CL teams looking like PL lite and running 40 point averages with one or two CL Clubs having 3 PL level heat leaders and others left with one or none, then the self flagellating doom loop starts all over again.

This scenario killed a buoyant NDL circa 2017 - 2018.

The root cause is the prehistoric belief that the UK can compete with Poland and the big fish mentality of some in the CL who can't or won't play in the big league because of the prhistoric belief UK PL has to race on a Monday and a Thursday, despite the fact that it now has no relevance as the POles do what they like and stick 2 fingers up to everyone.

The are 2 simple options

(1) Run the PL matches on a Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday; Thursday; Friday or Saturday and allow those CL teams who have the infrastructure to move up, to move up

(2) Make the PL genuinely Elite by allowing far less doubling down of anyone with a PL average over 6 and turn the CL in to a League that is CL Lite and NDL rich bringing through the next generation. 

We are seeing elitism destroy football, it has half destroyed Rugby Union and is slowly eroding County Cricket. 

Clubs like Poole / Glasgow / Oxford should not have to be in the CL if they wish to be in the PL but only the race day obsession is preventing them.

The Poles now race on a Tuesday / Thursday / Friday / Saturday / Sunday if it suits them, the Danes should no longer dictate what occurs on a Wednesday and very sadly Swedish Speedway is in an even more precarious position that the UK financially. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Skidder1]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

There is a serious danger of a self perpetuating doom-loop scenario killing even more Clubs here.

The avowed intent of the likes of Adrian Smith initially and then Phil Morris and very much supported by the likes of Rob Godfrey, was to have clear blue water between a televised Premier product and the Championship product. The logic being, its easier to sell both products when they are not blurred by the fact that 80% plus of the PL riders double down.

The race by several CL Clubs to compete and pay money they cannot / could not afford is clear and it looked like we were beginning to see some clear blue water with a lowering of the CL limit, bringing in some sanity and a refusal to continue to pay PL heat leaders big guarantees to ride in the CL.

It seems from this thread that the lunatics have regained control of the asylum; and if the CL limit rises again and the return/continuance of almost all CL teams looking like PL lite and running 40 point averages with one or two CL Clubs having 3 PL level heat leaders and others left with one or none, then the self flagellating doom loop starts all over again.

This scenario killed a buoyant NDL circa 2017 - 2018.

The root cause is the prehistoric belief that the UK can compete with Poland and the big fish mentality of some in the CL who can't or won't play in the big league because of the prhistoric belief UK PL has to race on a Monday and a Thursday, despite the fact that it now has no relevance as the POles do what they like and stick 2 fingers up to everyone.

The are 2 simple options

(1) Run the PL matches on a Monday / Tuesday / Wednesday; Thursday; Friday or Saturday and allow those CL teams who have the infrastructure to move up, to move up

(2) Make the PL genuinely Elite by allowing far less doubling down of anyone with a PL average over 6 and turn the CL in to a League that is CL Lite and NDL rich bringing through the next generation. 

We are seeing elitism destroy football, it has half destroyed Rugby Union and is slowly eroding County Cricket. 

Clubs like Poole / Glasgow / Oxford should not have to be in the CL if they wish to be in the PL but only the race day obsession is preventing them.

The Poles now race on a Tuesday / Thursday / Friday / Saturday / Sunday if it suits them, the Danes should no longer dictate what occurs on a Wednesday and very sadly Swedish Speedway is in an even more precarious position that the UK financially. 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is this on the Poole 2025 thread? Poole don't want to be in PL in 2025. They run CL because it is cost-effective (their only income is from admission sales, sponsors and adverts) as they don't own their stadium but still attract very decent crowds on their preferred racenights.

[lewy]

I can't see Poole being able to fit hagon and foord in next season at reserve with combined average of just under 9 with British reduction,may have one in top 5 but neither is clearly ready for that. What do you think you know about that lord cleeve.

[Starman2006]

4 hours ago, HGould said:

 

 

 

The Poles now race on a Tuesday / Thursday / Friday / Saturday / Sunday if it suits them, the Danes should no longer dictate what occurs on a Wednesday and very sadly Swedish Speedway is in an even more precarious position that the UK financially. 

 

 

 

 

 

And thats part of the reason why said clubs prefer to ride in the Championship. No avaliable riders

[Pirates Of Poole]

If league 1 in Poland as now confirmed ride on a Thursday then the Premiership ride against that league or move to a Monday & Wednesday which would then effect Championship Wednesday clubs.

Getting the big names hasn't worked this year due to the issues of some riders missing matches when they wish, taking Magic and Lampart/Emil out of that statement. 

[SteelShoe]

On 9/2/2024 at 9:22 AM, Chairboy said:

Thanks for exactly the kind of response I 

On 9/2/2024 at 8:41 AM, Chairboy said:

How about Poole running an NDL team in 2025? Or will they continue their policy of plucking young riders from the NDL whenever it suits them, despite making no contribution to the league themselves, effectively sponging off the efforts of others?

 

Excellent idea. I think Poole on their crowds could afford to run an NDL team. British Speedway needs more youngsters coming through does it not. Well done Oxford on running 3 teams this season, just hope that has been financially viable.

[MB723]

7 hours ago, lewy said:

I can't see Poole being able to fit hagon and foord in next season at reserve with combined average of just under 9 with British reduction,may have one in top 5 but neither is clearly ready for that. What do you think you know about that lord cleeve.

I'd guess Foord is going to Glasgow, more often than not in the Glasgow pits (even when Poole were riding at Edinburgh).

[SteelShoe]

With the present number of teams across both leagues (16) i'm surprised the feasability of one league isn't being talked about. Currently about 90-95 riders employed in the top two leagues. You would need at least 112 to go to one league.

Many fans in the Championship haven't been happy this season with the dearth of fixtures and sometimes 4-5 week gaps between home meetings.

It's hard to think that in 2003 the Premier League alone consisted of 18 teams.

[Beirao]

22 hours ago, Pirates Of Poole said:

Rumour is it will increase to 39. But like you say Lawson is taking a massive amount of this limit. 

If it's 39 it's a reduction not an increase. Teams were built to 38 at the start of the season but their figures increase to centre around 42. Look at the latest green sheets to see this. This happens every year no matter what the start of season  team build figure was. 

Edited September 3 by Beirao

[Trackrat]

And the most boring thread on the internet goes to......This one.

[Skidder1]

46 minutes ago, Trackrat said:

And the most boring thread on the internet goes to......This one.

Only since you've appeared!! School finished early??🤪

[lbw]

1 hour ago, Trackrat said:

And the most boring thread on the internet goes to......This one.

Uneducated. The Gift

[Noelinho]

1 hour ago, SteelShoe said:

With the present number of teams across both leagues (16) i'm surprised the feasability of one league isn't being talked about. Currently about 90-95 riders employed in the top two leagues. You would need at least 112 to go to one league.

Many fans in the Championship haven't been happy this season with the dearth of fixtures and sometimes 4-5 week gaps between home meetings.

It's hard to think that in 2003 the Premier League alone consisted of 18 teams.

Make 6 rider teams and the maths gets easier. Reduces some costs and should mean riders earn a bit more for each appearance. There must come a time when that is a more attractive proposition.

[lisa-colette]

1 hour ago, lbw said:

Uneducated. The Gift

It's insanity tbh. Who goes on a thread they find boring! 

[Arthur54]

3 hours ago, Trackrat said:

And the most boring thread on the internet goes to......This one.

You couldn't resist posting on it could you 

[Trackrat]

2 hours ago, Skidder1 said:

Only since you've appeared!! School finished early??🤪

How do you know what time schools finish Clive? Bit worrying.

[Trackrat]

3 minutes ago, Arthur54 said:

You couldn't resist posting on it could you 

Gotta get the pensioners biting arfwit.

[j2ohh]

On 9/2/2024 at 4:04 AM, tigger63 said:

william cairns to poole.   on his 16th birthday.

you will have a long wait .

[Skidder1]

20 hours ago, Beirao said:

If it's 39 it's a reduction not an increase. Teams were built to 38 at the start of the season but their figures increase to centre around 42. Look at the latest green sheets to see this. This happens every year no matter what the start of season  team build figure was. 

It's an increase for Glasgow!! 37.15 from today!!