Poole 2025

[poole keith]

Assume Cairns could have gone to any div2 team but poole would be fairly logical choice.If he's as talented as people think then those advising and controlling his progress will probably want him at Poole for 25 and 26 seasons after that need to move on,wouldn't think his Polish club will want him racing in british lower league to long,great for poole could start 26 as second string and finish as heat leader!! Only time will tell though, will he be as good as Joe screen at that age???

[STEVEHOLS54]

1 hour ago, poole keith said:

Assume Cairns could have gone to any div2 team but poole would be fairly logical choice.If he's as talented as people think then those advising and controlling his progress will probably want him at Poole for 25 and 26 seasons after that need to move on,wouldn't think his Polish club will want him racing in british lower league to long,great for poole could start 26 as second string and finish as heat leader!! Only time will tell though, will he be as good as Joe screen at that age???

If Rowe has signed a 2 year deal on the basis Poole know they will race in 26, it would be logical to think maybe an agreement in principal for similar agreed with Cairns family. Especially if Poole feel he will end up still with a GSA of 2 for 2026  from remaining Poole fixtures when he comes in irrespective of how well he may score.

Falubaz have him signed up already for 25 and if performs as we expect I'm sure he will be there for 26. Meaning 18 matches if they get to play off final (Tues race day), also add in his almost certainly in SGP2 qualifying and maybe the 3 finals ??.  He also did training camps in POL in 2024.

He could even maybe get a Prem reserve slot in 2026 if his stats really stack up.

 

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, poole keith said:

Assume Cairns could have gone to any div2 team but poole would be fairly logical choice.If he's as talented as people think then those advising and controlling his progress will probably want him at Poole for 25 and 26 seasons after that need to move on,wouldn't think his Polish club will want him racing in british lower league to long,great for poole could start 26 as second string and finish as heat leader!! Only time will tell though, will he be as good as Joe screen at that age???

It is a lot on his young shoulders but I expect the hope is that he will be better than Joe Screen.

[szkocjasid]

Another advantage of going to Poole is extra fixtures, each year they make the play-offs, BSN & koc finals.

If riders are confident they'll be near the top, they'll earn more but virtue of riding more.

[poole keith]

43 minutes ago, foreverblue said:

It is a lot on his young shoulders but I expect the hope is that he will be better than Joe Screen.

I said "at that age"blue,screenie straight into the top league, remember when think it was leigh Adams was tearing up the national league(now championship)and a 17yr old  screen came down to poole for three match races against him and leigh couldn't get near him,Cairns is going to have to go some to be better than screen in the early yrs

[mac101]

1 hour ago, STEVEHOLS54 said:

If Rowe has signed a 2 year deal on the basis Poole know they will race in 26, it would be logical to think maybe an agreement in principal for similar agreed with Cairns family. Especially if Poole feel he will end up still with a GSA of 2 for 2026  from remaining Poole fixtures when he comes in irrespective of how well he may score.

Falubaz have him signed up already for 25 and if performs as we expect I'm sure he will be there for 26. Meaning 18 matches if they get to play off final (Tues race day), also add in his almost certainly in SGP2 qualifying and maybe the 3 finals ??.  He also did training camps in POL in 2024.

He could even maybe get a Prem reserve slot in 2026 if his stats really stack up.

 

2 year deals are worthless just ask Bomber 

[Jaizer]

52 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

Another advantage of going to Poole is extra fixtures, each year they make the play-offs, BSN & koc finals.

If riders are confident they'll be near the top, they'll earn more but virtue of riding more.

I'd counter that with he's not likely to get extra rides as he would with a lower team. Probably get a maximum 5 rides per meeting whereas might get 7 most meetings elsewhere. Anyway it seems Poole's season seems to be resting on a 15 year old. Was very impressive at ashfield in the youth meeting and I'm sure be a success. But I don't see him coming in and scoring double figures immediately personally 

[STEVEHOLS54]

12 minutes ago, Jaizer said:

I'd counter that with he's not likely to get extra rides as he would with a lower team. Probably get a maximum 5 rides per meeting whereas might get 7 most meetings elsewhere. Anyway it seems Poole's season seems to be resting on a 15 year old. Was very impressive at ashfield in the youth meeting and I'm sure be a success. But I don't see him coming in and scoring double figures immediately personally 

I would be happy with 4/5/6 per meeting next season. Over 2 points riding  with Starke/Thomsen should secure Poole sufficient if the other 5 perform,

Edited December 13 by STEVEHOLS54
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[Steve Shovlar]

I haven’t seen Cairns ride live, and the videos of him racing last season at Oxford don’t show him as a Leigh Adams or Craig Boyce. Riders who started as a two pointer and ended on a 9.

I don’t think we should be bigging up young William to be a match winner. He is starting the season behind the rest and if he can pick up 4 points a meeting he will be doing his job. Too much expectation leads to failure, and I am sure there will be plenty lining up to laugh at him if he finds the going tough. Already there seems to be too much expectation on his young shoulders. 

Edited Friday at 06:20 PM by Steve Shovlar

[gazzac]

2 hours ago, foreverblue said:

It is a lot on his young shoulders but I expect the hope is that he will be better than Joe Screen.

He will be very good if he is, Screen was brilliant as a 16 year old, and world u23 champion in 1993. Was still at a really high level winning the Elite league with Eastie in 2000, until 2001 when he badly broke his leg and was never the same. Still put in a good turn for another 10 years though including Poole.

Edited Friday at 06:36 PM by gazzac

[SaddlebowRoad]

5 hours ago, foreverblue said:

You are correct but many have said before Poole attract riders because they pay the most but there are other factors that attract riders to Poole. I dont mind how much they pay  but the books have to be balanced, it is run as a business.

skidder was on here the other day willy waving about pooles crowds being the biggest in the second division 

if thats the case it stands to reason that they will be one of the highest payers id have thought 

[arnieg]

33 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

I haven’t seen Cairns ride live, and the videos of him racing last season at Oxford don’t show him as a Leigh Adams or Craig Boyce. Riders who started as a two pointer and ended on a 9.

I don’t think we should be bigging up young William to be a match winner. He is starting the season behind the rest and if he can pick up 4 points a meeting he will be doing his job. Too much expectation leads to failure, and I am sure there will be plenty lining up to laugh at him if he finds the going tough. Already there seems to be too much expectation on his young shoulders. 

I doubt you saw Boyce as a 16 year old, I think he was 20 when he arrived at Poole.

[SteveLyric2]

45 minutes ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

skidder was on here the other day willy waving about pooles crowds being the biggest in the second division 

if thats the case it stands to reason that they will be one of the highest payers id have thought 

Higher stadium costs than most.

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, poole keith said:

I said "at that age"blue,screenie straight into the top league, remember when think it was leigh Adams was tearing up the national league(now championship)and a 17yr old  screen came down to poole for three match races against him and leigh couldn't get near him,Cairns is going to have to go some to be better than screen in the early yrs

Cairns(however good he is)has the advantage over previous 16 year olds (Screen,PC and Lee)that he will be racing a different standard of riders so very difficult to compare him with these guys .Wish him well.

[foreverblue]

1 hour ago, SaddlebowRoad said:

skidder was on here the other day willy waving about pooles crowds being the biggest in the second division 

if thats the case it stands to reason that they will be one of the highest payers id have thought 

No never have been one of the highest payers and we moved down to save money while keeping similar crowd levels.

[Jaizer]

3 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Cairns(however good he is)has the advantage over previous 16 year olds (Screen,PC and Lee)that he will be racing a different standard of riders so very difficult to compare him with these guys .Wish him well.

Was it Tai and auty at rye house when they turned 16 tore up the league from reserve finished on 7 plus averages? Or was it Kennett? Anyway I don't see him having the same type of immediate success but be glad if I was wrong. Nothing better seeing a kid hit ground running like that 

[ragdoll64]

5 hours ago, Steve Shovlar said:

I haven’t seen Cairns ride live, and the videos of him racing last season at Oxford don’t show him as a Leigh Adams or Craig Boyce. Riders who started as a two pointer and ended on a 9.

I don’t think we should be bigging up young William to be a match winner. He is starting the season behind the rest and if he can pick up 4 points a meeting he will be doing his job. Too much expectation leads to failure, and I am sure there will be plenty lining up to laugh at him if he finds the going tough. Already there seems to be too much expectation on his young shoulders. 

Can’t imagine he’ll be sitting twiddling his thumbs till he can take his place.…..🙄     I take it you mean he’ll be behind the rest in riding for the Pirates?

[Fromafar]

10 hours ago, Jaizer said:

Was it Tai and auty at rye house when they turned 16 tore up the league from reserve finished on 7 plus averages? Or was it Kennett? Anyway I don't see him having the same type of immediate success but be glad if I was wrong. Nothing better seeing a kid hit ground running like that 

Dugard and Havelock were also brilliant 16 year olds.

[j2ohh]

19 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Another advantage of going to Poole is extra fixtures, each year they make the play-offs, BSN & koc finals.

If riders are confident they'll be near the top, they'll earn more but virtue of riding more.

 i too dont think its the money that has attracted Willie to Poole . its more about grabbing as many medals as poss and being able to show his £5 .00 medal around hie shoulders .  ribbons and metal  dont pay the bills tho . good luck to him and his team for 2025 .

[ArthurRudge]

Starke lol that is like a Justin Elkins type signing