Poole 2025

[scaramanga]

Be interesting to see if any early call offs early in season before the expected switch to bring cairns in 

Not sure if rules are same but years ago a rider could not sign senior contract until there birthday 

So until that day nothing is guaranteed 

[SJA]

2 minutes ago, scaramanga said:

Be interesting to see if any early call offs early in season before the expected switch to bring cairns in 

Not sure if rules are same but years ago a rider could not sign senior contract until there birthday 

So until that day nothing is guaranteed 

But he can sign a "Letter of Intent" and it depends how strongly that is worded as to if it is guaranteed. 

[STEVEHOLS54]

While some not too impressed by Starke think it's a clever signing, especially at Poole.

I think he will do well at home against plenty of the reserves with a higher GSA due to his track knowledge (as evidenced last season in 3 meetings when Worky visited).

Against teams with stronger reserves I think that Poole top 4 will outscore the other teams sufficiently to cover the shortfall at reserve. Factor in that Tobias could well end up at reserve with Cairns after the first GSA's end of June doesn't make bad reading. Also if Starke does bomb out they could replace maybe up to 5 points (based on first GSA if he outscores most weaker/inexperienced reserves) which widens the replacement possibilities. Assuming Cairns would replace the 2 pointer temp replacement.

The important part is to try and stay in top 4. We shouldn't think too much about the brilliant treble season in 2024. We had to shed 6 points in team strength, but we are now in a weaker league after some good riders not returning.

Still optimistic of a decent season.

 

[foreverblue]

35 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

I'm sure they won't have a point to play with when Cairns comes in. I expect Cook, Rowe, Thomsen & Starke could put a point on their averages each. At least 3 points between them.

Depends how many meetings are ridden, I am sure there is a master plan and I expect some riders will not increase their average. We only need to qualify for the play offs.

[FAST GATER]

Starke is a mystery to me a few years ago his scoring just dropped off a cliff ,no big injury if I am not mistaken his form  just  fell away and has never recovered  !

[j2ohh]

11 hours ago, PTW said:

Why would you change Starke,when the 2.00 reserve would be a straight swap late June time,unless u know something I don’t.

i think the starting date for W Cairns needs to be JULY , unless Poole have a fixture  on the 30th June  . a great deal rests on Willie Cainns shoulders . lets hope everything clicks for him .

if Paul Starke does meet the magic 5.00 average and Willie  C does not perform . .Poole will have to run with a not so good reserve for the remainder of the season .

going by what we have seen. he can beat riders of higher class . time will tell .tho .

BTW looking forward to seeing Vinnie around our superb race track at Northside .  thank you all .

[j2ohh]

1 hour ago, SJA said:

But he can sign a "Letter of Intent" and it depends how strongly that is worded as to if it is guaranteed. 

lets hope for your sake he is not a Labour voter  . Kier Starmer could be tied up in this  . letters of intent are not worth the paper they are written on .

[DJC]

11 minutes ago, FAST GATER said:

Starke is a mystery to me a few years ago his scoring just dropped off a cliff ,no big injury if I am not mistaken his form  just  fell away and has never recovered  !

Broke both arms in a bad one didn't he? Not been the same since. 

He's an odd signing when you think they could have had the up and coming Foord. Both as injury prone as each other but would say Foord's machinery is better/more reliable.

My guess is that they had a new face lined up but the average was 5 not 4 and Starke was all that was left to fill the gap alongside the rumoured sacrificial lamb. 

[poole keith]

I thought gavan made an interesting point a while back that maybe matt ford didn't want vinys baggage,like a lot on here I follow moto gp and if he behaved like that to the crowd whatever the provocation he would have been punished ,the racing incident would have been dealt with separately maybe " no further action " or 'long lap penalty etc 'Regarding his father it happens in moto gp that if a parent behaves badly(usually the father!)they are banned from the team garage and the paddock,there have even been cases where team sponsors (admittedly usually major companies) have made demands on riders behaviour and even asked for their removal.Maybe matt ford just didn't want the hassle???

 

 

 

 

[gazzac]

12 hours ago, PTW said:

Is that because they changed limit from 38.00-40.00 and it caught us out as ideally I would of had Foord all day long,Starke isn’t a bad signing for a season of improvement can’t really go wrong  should be hitting 4.50-5.00 meaning him thomsen at reserve do a decent reserve all season,but after that he won’t be at Poole in 2026 where as Vinnie it could of been more long term.

Knowing Poole's luck/planning, expect Starke will have his best season for years, Foord will have an average one and be back next season on a similar average as this year. Hope not from Workington's point of view but could happen. 

[Sings4Speedway]

Starke even past his best is well capable of sticking a point on his average and possibly two. 

Vinnie may have fitted average wise but not with the club image. Big crashes, unable to finish meetings due to no machinery and the crowd incident are all not in keeping with the clubs professional outlook.

[szkocjasid]

1 hour ago, szkocjasid said:

I'm sure they won't have a point to play with when Cairns comes in. I expect Cook, Rowe, Thomsen & Starke could put a point on their averages each. At least 3 points between them.

 

1 hour ago, foreverblue said:

Depends how many meetings are ridden, I am sure there is a master plan and I expect some riders will not increase their average. We only need to qualify for the play offs.

You raise a good point, I'm thinking of end of season averages, so they might not have gained a point by July. However I'd still expect Poole to be above 40 by then.

Kerr's average should in theory go down, as he drops his high scoring Oxford '23 figures & retains his lower scoring Berwick '24 figures.

Starke should do the opposite, as he drops his low scoring Birmingham '23 & Glasgow '24 scores, but retains his higher Workington '24 scores.

I'm sure Poole's master plan, is to drop the "temporary two pointer" for Cairns, as he along with the top 6 are good enough to win the title.

[LisaColette]

9 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Starke even past his best is well capable of sticking a point on his average and possibly two. 

Vinnie may have fitted average wise but not with the club image. Big crashes, unable to finish meetings due to no machinery and the crowd incident are all not in keeping with the clubs professional outlook.

Maybe I read it wrong but on maybe X or FB, Dave Norris said Vinnie's machinery wasn't his, it was borrowed from other people. Maybe @FishersGate would know? 

[TheWellBehavedWorrall]

I think the selection of Starke at the expense of Foord speaks volumes for the panic stations at Wimborne Road.

I’m not buying the agenda that Poole are protecting their image; what Poole are doing is neglecting the future of the sport for what they see as an ageing diamond in the rough.

The suggestion that machinery was the issue doesn’t wash. I could have pedalled around Ashfield faster than Starke did last season.

Edited 3 hours ago by TheWellBehavedWorrall

[IronScorpion]

50 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said:

Starke even past his best is well capable of sticking a point on his average and possibly two. 

Vinnie may have fitted average wise but not with the club image. Big crashes, unable to finish meetings due to no machinery and the crowd incident are all not in keeping with the clubs professional outlook.

Similar could be said of Starke with his preparation & upkeep of his bikes often breaking down.

I seem to remember a meeting last year when he had no bikes running & no "team mate" lent him one.

[arnieg]

38 minutes ago, szkocjasid said:

I'm sure Poole's master plan, is to drop the "temporary two pointer" for Cairns, as he along with the top 6 are good enough to win the title.

Surely the "temporary two pointer's" objective will be to out perform other two pointers, leaving the likely outcome that he will replace one of them. [Wood, Perry, Hodder and Spencer could be vulnerable]

[gmarsbar2]

18 hours ago, stevehone said:

to be fair i thought Starke was a 5 point rider, so getting him on less than 4 is a bonus

So did the Glasgow management last season and that went well.

Starkie talked the talk preseason but once the season started a total disappointment

[Fromafar]

2 hours ago, FAST GATER said:

Starke is a mystery to me a few years ago his scoring just dropped off a cliff ,no big injury if I am not mistaken his form  just  fell away and has never recovered  !

Did he not break his wrists a few seasons ago while with Glasgow.

[SteveLyric2]

5 hours ago, HGould said:

The failure to secure VJ-F just doesn't add up?

He was IN when limit was 38 points

He would have FITTED in a 40 point Team

We know that Danny boy spat his dummy out at the AGM to the degree some teams voted 40 just to wind him up!

Now we get the "throw away line" from his Andrex sponsor and monitor Clive - that "Danny is no longer on the Management Committee"

THAT throw away line needs EXPLAINING Clive as it does not appear to have been announce anywhere???...

So the question is..

Why no VJ-F

Was he pushed out?

Did he pull himself out?

Why no transparency ??..

 

Answers please

 

 

 

It never ceases to amaze how interested so many non-Pirate 'fans' are in all things Poole Speedway!!

Apologies for the delay in replying but the hospital was running late...

So - In one of the 38 point team options, Vinnie was included but possibly in the 1-5. In one of the 40 point team options the 1-5 and number 6 is a different line-up with the extra 2 points to play with.

 -  As for the BSPL Board, Danny Ford advised that he needed to step down for 2025, due to additional 'off-track' personal commitments. It's not my place to say what they are but he was 100% forthcoming to the club's sponsors! He is replaced by Edinburgh's John Campbell, but has agreed to remain as 'first reserve' as and when required, subject to commitments!! NB. its the BSPL's place to make their announcement.

So I hope thats sufficient for everyone, but I guess we'll see.......

 

Edited 1 hour ago by SteveLyric2

[SJA]

2 hours ago, j2ohh said:

lets hope for your sake he is not a Labour voter  . Kier Starmer could be tied up in this  . letters of intent are not worth the paper they are written on .

As a retired High Court Barrister I can assure you that they are worth the paper they car written on and the strength come on the clauses. An example could be a rider is not allowed the sign for different club without the original clubs permission and a substantial compensation payment made to the original club. Although I have no experience of doing a LoI for Speedway I have done such agreements for Premiership Football clubs that have been found in court to be binding.

Edited 1 hour ago by SJA
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