RoundTheBoards Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 We can't know the play-off semi-finals yet, as it is 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd. First and second are yet to be decided. Even under the old system where first gets choice of opponents, we can't know the semi-finals yet, as first is still up for grabs. YET WE KNOW THE SEMI-FINAL LINE-UP. In the style of a Russian presidential election, it has been fiddled. The system has been shown to be corrupt, The rules, and all semblance of fairness, have been thrown out of the window. Phil Morris was brought in as Premiership supremo, to ensure the rules are followed. To ensure fairness. To ensure the sport doesn't look Mickey Mouse. To ensure the sport doesn't shoot itself in the foot. To ensure the sport doesn't look an amateur shambles of pathetic self-interest. Phil Morris isn't a volunteer. Phil Morris is paid handsomely to do the job. Ultimately with supporters' money. Phil Morris has failed on every level. Time to go, Phil Morris. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 It's certainly one of the most bizarre decisions that I have seen in over 70 years following speedway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 I'm not sure he should be sacked... but if I were him I would seriously consider resigning as trying to run British Speedway is like trying to herd a bunch of cats! 😹 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 I had some hope that this appointment would provide some semblance of independence and impartiality Unfortunately it seems that hope was misplaced Perhaps if this situation isn't what Phil Morris expected the question should be will he resign rather than he be sacked - why would they sack him if he is playing the puppet they want? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 38 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: We can't know the play-off semi-finals yet, as it is 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd. First and second are yet to be decided. Even under the old system where first gets choice of opponents, we can't know the semi-finals yet, as first is still up for grabs. YET WE KNOW THE SEMI-FINAL LINE-UP. In the style of a Russian presidential election, it has been fiddled. The system has been shown to be corrupt, The rules, and all semblance of fairness, have been thrown out of the window. Phil Morris was brought in as Premiership supremo, to ensure the rules are followed. To ensure fairness. To ensure the sport doesn't look Mickey Mouse. To ensure the sport doesn't shoot itself in the foot. To ensure the sport doesn't look an amateur shambles of pathetic self-interest. Phil Morris isn't a volunteer. Phil Morris is paid handsomely to do the job. Ultimately with supporters' money. Phil Morris has failed on every level. Time to go, Phil Morris. First and second yet to be decided, but on current form it is highly likely that Leicester will finish top. Next week was planned as a blank week for build up and organisation of the semi finals. If they had waited till next Friday to announce the dates and fixtures everyone on here would be moaning about short notice for arranging travel plans. If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 3 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: First and second yet to be decided, but on current form it is highly likely that Leicester will finish top. Next week was planned as a blank week for build up and organisation of the semi finals. If they had waited till next Friday to announce the dates and fixtures everyone on here would be moaning about short notice for arranging travel plans. If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? The issue is that this is clear rule breaking by the governing body for the second time in 24 hours, the other one being Harris riding on Monday. I 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40-38 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 4 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: First and second yet to be decided, but on current form it is highly likely that Leicester will finish top. Next week was planned as a blank week for build up and organisation of the semi finals. If they had waited till next Friday to announce the dates and fixtures everyone on here would be moaning about short notice for arranging travel plans. If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? Because however likely it is that we will beat Lynn and finish top, there's a chance we may not. The matches against Lynn are now completely pointless and yet again the sport had subverted its own rules. It sounds like the decision was made for "commercial reasons" which is a terrible affront to those who've ridden for their teams and those who've supported their teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 35 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: We can't know the play-off semi-finals yet, as it is 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd. First and second are yet to be decided. Even under the old system where first gets choice of opponents, we can't know the semi-finals yet, as first is still up for grabs. YET WE KNOW THE SEMI-FINAL LINE-UP. In the style of a Russian presidential election, it has been fiddled. The system has been shown to be corrupt, The rules, and all semblance of fairness, have been thrown out of the window. Phil Morris was brought in as Premiership supremo, to ensure the rules are followed. To ensure fairness. To ensure the sport doesn't look Mickey Mouse. To ensure the sport doesn't shoot itself in the foot. To ensure the sport doesn't look an amateur shambles of pathetic self-interest. Phil Morris isn't a volunteer. Phil Morris is paid handsomely to do the job. Ultimately with supporters' money. Phil Morris has failed on every level. Time to go, Phil Morris. The sport is still as Mickey Mouse as it ever was.. Maybe even more with the bans/not bans/bans/not bans... Riders riding in semi finals for one team, and the final for another, still exists, just like last year.. Even Czech league meetings now take priority due to giving up Thursdays as a priority night.. What a great idea that has turned out to be!? "You can use our riders if you let us have priority on Thursdays".. And then the riders don't turn up!!! With the whole shebang being built around the agenda of the riders not the agenda of the paying spectator. "We open very infrequently due to having to wait for our employees to tell us when they can work" (Not a great business plan is it?).. The honest news no one seems to want to hear is that UK Speedway, in its current team format, and using it's ludicrous operating model, simply cannot work. As it single handedly fails to engage enough people to believe that the product is a genuine sporting competition, that provides any real kudos in winning... There is fundamentally zero point investing emotionally into a team sport when it is nothing more than a random, ad-hoc collection of riders, who will invariably be a different set of riders "representing you" the next time you set foot in the stadium.. What the sport needs is a root and branch review, overhaul and reset. With a well planned and marketed major relaunch .. Just like they should have done during the COVID break.. Phil Morris alone cannot sort out the amount of nonsense that pervades.. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 21 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? The small matter of sporting INTEGRITY 11 minutes ago, 40-38 said: It sounds like the decision was made for "commercial reasons" which is a terrible affront to those who've ridden for their teams and those who've supported their teams. The powers that be wouldn't know a commercial reason if it walked up to them wearing a commercial reason t-shirt knocking them on the head saying "I am a commercial reason"! All those fans that have followed their team home and away fighting for a higher league position have been totally mugged off... Again! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 24 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: First and second yet to be decided, but on current form it is highly likely that Leicester will finish top. Next week was planned as a blank week for build up and organisation of the semi finals. If they had waited till next Friday to announce the dates and fixtures everyone on here would be moaning about short notice for arranging travel plans. If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? Because its not down to the 4 teams agreeing (or shouldn't be) it is what is set in the regulations that counts 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 While I understand why they've made the decision, I do have questions 1) why extend the cut-off date if you're going to ignore the last two matches, surely you'd just keep the cut-off date as it is? 2) why would Sheffield agree to be "ranked" 2nd when they are currently top, what happens if Sheffield say yes to organising the semi finals, but no to meeting Belle Vue? 3) could they not have announced when the home legs were taking place but leave the opposition tbc? Mon 9th Ipswich v Leicester or Sheffield Thu 12th Leicester v Ipswich or Belle Vue Mon 16th Belle Vue v Sheffield or Leicester Thu 19th Sheffield v Belle Vue or Ipswich Not ideal, but I feel it's better than just making up who races who? Plus stops the two Leicester vs Lynn matches being pointless. You either have to count the cut-off now or the cut-off when the league is completed, you absolutely cannot choose Leicester top because you think they will be. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 Well Done Leicester... Top of the League... I have contacted Bet365 to pay my money out.....😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 24 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: The issue is that this is clear rule breaking by the governing body for the second time in 24 hours, the other one being Harris riding on Monday. I He isn't 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 13 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: While I understand why they've made the decision, I do have questions 1) why extend the cut-off date if you're going to ignore the last two matches, surely you'd just keep the cut-off date as it is? 2) why would Sheffield agree to be "ranked" 2nd when they are currently top, what happens if Sheffield say yes to organising the semi finals, but no to meeting Belle Vue? 3) could they not have announced when the home legs were taking place but leave the opposition tbc? Mon 9th Ipswich v Leicester or Sheffield Thu 12th Leicester v Ipswich or Belle Vue Mon 16th Belle Vue v Sheffield or Leicester Thu 19th Sheffield v Belle Vue or Ipswich Not ideal, but I feel it's better than just making up who races who? Plus stops the two Leicester vs Lynn matches being pointless. You either have to count the cut-off now or the cut-off when the league is completed, you absolutely cannot choose Leicester top because you think they will be. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 I'm not sure if he should be sacked but I want to know what he has actually done to improve British speedway since he's taken the reigns? Anyone got anything he's done ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 16 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: He isn't 😉 He isn’t now due to an ‘oversight’ by Sheffield or more likely they got caught tying to pull a fast one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 2 minutes ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: He isn’t now due to an ‘oversight’ by Sheffield or more likely they got caught tying to pull a fast one! Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Sheffield therefore they must be deliberately cheating. 😴 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 1 hour ago, DaveWayne said: First and second yet to be decided, but on current form it is highly likely that Leicester will finish top. Next week was planned as a blank week for build up and organisation of the semi finals. If they had waited till next Friday to announce the dates and fixtures everyone on here would be moaning about short notice for arranging travel plans. If all 4 teams are in agreement then what is the issue ? If this week was a hard cut off then kings Lynn and Leicester should have arranged them for off nights like Lynn did this week. But again if it’s cut off then and want to know the play off teams now then use the current positions. can’t assume Leicester will win both meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 20 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Oh yeah, I forgot, it's Sheffield therefore they must be deliberately cheating. 😴 It’s either that or incompetence…..as clearly they don’t know the rule book that they helped to write Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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