Youhave2minutes Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 For or Against it. ? I personally see this as delaying the start, and like anticipating the start at the tapes it should carry a warning. Perhaps a new rule to implement from the start of the new season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 hate it with a passion 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 The Riders have 2 minutes to be ready to race. What they do in that two minutes is up to them. Gardening only seems more prevalent now as the riders want to maximise their time in preparing their start grid. In the past they would trundle round at any time in the two minutes and then start gardening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 I know that it is very irritating, however, a Rider must be allowed to prepare himself for the best start possible. As annoying as it is, 'gardening' is part of the sport of Speedway, and we should accept it as such. That's my opinion anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted August 30 Author Report Share Posted August 30 22 minutes ago, The White Knight said: I know that it is very irritating, however, a Rider must be allowed to prepare himself for the best start possible. As annoying as it is, 'gardening' is part of the sport of Speedway, and we should accept it as such. That's my opinion anyway. Thanks for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted August 30 Report Share Posted August 30 59 minutes ago, The White Knight said: I know that it is very irritating, however, a Rider must be allowed to prepare himself for the best start possible. As annoying as it is, 'gardening' is part of the sport of Speedway, and we should accept it as such. That's my opinion anyway. I agree. That dig about in the dirt as the bikes tick over has always been a lead up to the heat. It’s up to the ref / start Marshall to bring them to the tapes in time. I like the race build up. Often more watchable than the race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midlandred Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 13 hours ago, The White Knight said: I know that it is very irritating, however, a Rider must be allowed to prepare himself for the best start possible. As annoying as it is, 'gardening' is part of the sport of Speedway, and we should accept it as such. That's my opinion anyway. It never used to be “part of the sport”. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmParkRG2 Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 It never used to be “part of the sport”. 100% agree with this. I often wonder who started it and when. That's something we never know, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted August 31 Author Report Share Posted August 31 I myself find it very frustrating, and Kelvin Tatum a former rider has remarked about it many a time on air Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 2 hours ago, ElmParkRG2 said: It never used to be “part of the sport”. 100% agree with this. I often wonder who started it and when. That's something we never know, I think. It has as far as I can remember. Definitely not to the level it is today. It started to increase when they banned the rolling starts. A great decision imo. When you look back at some of the TV footage the starts were much more cringeworthy than today’s gardeners. The problem today is the inconsistent 2 min allowance. It should be 2 min or out. They would soon learn. Riders are given too much leeway. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 I would say it started with the arrival of the mighty American's in the mid 70's early 80's & it was adopted swiftly by the European's. In more recent seasons it has become really bad, I think the Referees lost control as a 2 minute time allowance was stretched to nearer 4 minutes at times. Now with the clock on the track I cannot object to riders having just their 2 minutes to prepare as long as the Referee is strong enough to apply the time correctly & disqualify a rider that exceeds that time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 18 hours ago, Gambo said: The Riders have 2 minutes to be ready to race. What they do in that two minutes is up to them. Gardening only seems more prevalent now as the riders want to maximise their time in preparing their start grid. In the past they would trundle round at any time in the two minutes and then start gardening. Would agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadster Posted August 31 Report Share Posted August 31 I think current starting procedure is a s good as it has been, with the 2 minute clock forcing the riders to come to order. Something that would stop gardening would be a concrete starting area, but they tried it in the 50s and got rid of it. I never saw that in operation. Perhaps someone who saw it being used might like to comment? I am old enough to remember the days when even breaking the tapes did not bring an automatic exclusion and the starts then were awful and, I reckon, wasted more time than gardening today. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 NKI seems to take an age to get under orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted September 2 Author Report Share Posted September 2 3 hours ago, TINYS said: NKI seems to take an age to get under orders. Often having to adjust his middle leg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWellBehavedWorrall Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 I’m not for or against it, but I do feel like riders are entitled to do as they please with their two minutes. From a non-professional perspective, I assume it’s a critical part of race preparation. It can be the difference between hitting the corner first and hitting it last, I imagine. On Friday night, Glasgow’s track staff definitely weren’t sharing the share wealth with the gates that Redcar riders were out of in the following heat. I’m all for that, but Redcar riders deserve the opportunity to combat that disadvantage. Riders shouldn’t take the piss though and it’s the start marshall’s responsibility to address that. Having said that, I don’t think I’ve ever watched riders at the start line and thought ”he’s taking ages”. For a last heat decider, especially, I feel like the build-up adds to the tension and atmosphere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsarjant Posted September 2 Report Share Posted September 2 I’ve never been bothered by it if it was behind the tapes but does anyone recall gardening in front of them? I remember it used to happen at Rye House a lot. That always seemed crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castrolargh Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 I'm no professional when it comes to tack prep but I wonder if gardening has become more important now that the bikes rev a whole lot harder and presumably rip more dirt out at the start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 I honestly think it's just a fashion thing that's become a habit. Don't think it makes much difference at all to their start. A bit like the other fashion now of constantly dropping the clutch momentarily. Again, I don't think this makes a blind bit of difference to their start but just wears out their fibre plates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted September 6 Report Share Posted September 6 Annoying and largely unnecessary, it is mainly habit on the riders part but speedway is full of unnecessary habits, a concrete start grid would be an idea to eliminate this but it does have disadvantages to it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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