A Development thought for 2025!

[MillenTheVillen]

6 man Teams (maximum CL Average Limit in place to stop those who are too good for NDL being declared in 1-6)

1&4 Heat Leaders

2&3 2nd Strings

5&6 Reserves

15 Heats - 5 Programmed Rides Each

No R/R (when a lower average rider replaces missing rider the order gets adjusted accordingly)

Unattached 3point Guests Only from Published Pool of Riders not in any 1-6 (1-6 to be adjusted so Guest goes in at number 5 or 6)

Injuries during meeting to be covered alternatively ride by ride by reserves 

It's a DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE not WIN at all cost League!

[Sargent10]

10 hours ago, MillenTheVillen said:

6 man Teams (maximum CL Average Limit in place to stop those who are too good for NDL being declared in 1-6)

1&4 Heat Leaders

2&3 2nd Strings

5&6 Reserves

15 Heats - 5 Programmed Rides Each

No R/R (when a lower average rider replaces missing rider the order gets adjusted accordingly)

Unattached 3point Guests Only from Published Pool of Riders not in any 1-6 (1-6 to be adjusted so Guest goes in at number 5 or 6)

Injuries during meeting to be covered alternatively ride by ride by reserves 

It's a DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE not WIN at all cost League!

Excellent idea, so probably won’t be even considered!!!

[szkocjasid]

On 8/29/2024 at 8:52 AM, MillenTheVillen said:

6 man Teams (maximum CL Average Limit in place to stop those who are too good for NDL being declared in 1-6)

1&4 Heat Leaders

2&3 2nd Strings

5&6 Reserves

15 Heats - 5 Programmed Rides Each

No R/R (when a lower average rider replaces missing rider the order gets adjusted accordingly)

Unattached 3 point Guests Only from Published Pool of Riders not in any 1-6 (1-6 to be adjusted so Guest goes in at number 5 or 6)

Injuries during meeting to be covered alternatively ride by ride by reserves 

It's a DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE not WIN at all cost League!

Plenty of good ideas, but I'd suggest a few edits. Unattached 3 points guests only, would mean a 3.01 rider possibly never getting a team place while a 3.00 rider could ride 20 times a season.

I'd be happy to allow guests from a list of unattached riders, but not limit that to 3.00 riders.

Injuries during the match, could be tricky to cover if a reserve got injured or reserve was in heat with missing rider so couldn't take that race, but swapping reserve races round could solve that. I would be happy with IRR though.

I'd prefer 6 riders per team, with a couple of local juniors on standby at number 7 if needed.

In an ideal scenario, you'd want every club to have spare juniors wanting after match rides.

[Fortythirtyeight]

16 hours ago, szkocjasid said:

Plenty of good ideas, but I'd suggest a few edits. Unattached 3 points guests only, would mean a 3.01 rider possibly never getting a team place while a 3.00 rider could ride 20 times a season.

I'd be happy to allow guests from a list of unattached riders, but not limit that to 3.00 riders.

Injuries during the match, could be tricky to cover if a reserve got injured or reserve was in heat with missing rider so couldn't take that race, but swapping reserve races round could solve that. I would be happy with IRR though.

I'd prefer 6 riders per team, with a couple of local juniors on standby at number 7 if needed.

In an ideal scenario, you'd want every club to have spare juniors wanting after match rides.

Some good ideas but there will be less riders around next season with the increase in machinery costs due to the FIM regs and very few clubs having ‘spare juniors’ as even the NJL has struggled and the MDL is a joke. Despite the promises from the top table there’s been a decrease in junior opportunities and less entrants in the youth rounds than ever before.

[SpeedwaySlider72]

Is it the lack of youth meetings being run and the viability of running them that is the issue rather than tinkering with the format?

Leicester winning the league by miles is a sign of their commitment to youth development and track time rather than some win at all costs mentality. All tracks should aspire to  have the output of quality young riders that Leicester achieve... however they manage it!

[Fortythirtyeight]

40 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said:

Is it the lack of youth meetings being run and the viability of running them that is the issue rather than tinkering with the format?

Leicester winning the league by miles is a sign of their commitment to youth development and track time rather than some win at all costs mentality. All tracks should aspire to  have the output of quality young riders that Leicester achieve... however they manage it!

and pray tell which of Leicesters seven riders have been solely groomed by Leicester and not by other clubs at junior level or even ridden at other NDL teams ?

Luke Crang ? Tom Spencer ? Arran Butcher ?

Whilst they are to be applauded for running a team and have in recent times upped the practice sessions at the track they are not adverse to paying out a few bob to their riders and bringing in ‘experienced’ riders to strengthen their chances of success. 

Congratulations on the title , but don't get carried away with it.

 

[secsy1]

On 8/31/2024 at 12:38 PM, Fortythirtyeight said:

Some good ideas but there will be less riders around next season with the increase in machinery costs due to the FIM regs and very few clubs having ‘spare juniors’ as even the NJL has struggled and the MDL is a joke. Despite the promises from the top table there’s been a decrease in junior opportunities and less entrants in the youth rounds than ever before.

The opportunities are many, but lack of participation is the prime cause.

5 hours ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said:

Is it the lack of youth meetings being run and the viability of running them that is the issue rather than tinkering with the format?

Leicester winning the league by miles is a sign of their commitment to youth development and track time rather than some win at all costs mentality. All tracks should aspire to  have the output of quality young riders that Leicester achieve... however they manage it!

You cannot run meetings without riders!

The main problem presently are costs.

Can someone please let everyone know what the cost of SCB Licence is?

Also the cost of ACU licence?

I have been informed to ride in the British Youth Championship that you require both of the above licences.

Then take into consideration machinery costs, parental support with transportation and financial fluid cash to burn.

[Sargent10]

23 hours ago, secsy1 said:

The opportunities are many, but lack of participation is the prime cause.

You cannot run meetings without riders!

The main problem presently are costs.

Can someone please let everyone know what the cost of SCB Licence is?

Also the cost of ACU licence?

I have been informed to ride in the British Youth Championship that you require both of the above licences.

Then take into consideration machinery costs, parental support with transportation and financial fluid cash to burn.

Annual cost of license is about £140 now, that is ACU/SCB, but it is travelling and machinery costs are very expensive, the deeper your pockets the better your rider will be, because you are looking at parents who either have available time and financial resources to take the rider wherever possible and not have to worry about working arrangements, it’s not easy for parents to say travel to tracks Mondays and Thursday or other days to have a skid after a meeting, also providing the rider gets on (depending upon curfew etc), additionally the amount of tracks having practice sessions is limited compared to years ago and one might not be local so extra travelling at weekends is necessary. So people say if you are committed you do it, but if you don’t have necessary funds it’s difficult 

[SpeedwaySlider72]

On 9/1/2024 at 2:59 PM, Fortythirtyeight said:

and pray tell which of Leicesters seven riders have been solely groomed by Leicester and not by other clubs at junior level or even ridden at other NDL teams ?

Luke Crang ? Tom Spencer ? Arran Butcher ?

Whilst they are to be applauded for running a team and have in recent times upped the practice sessions at the track they are not adverse to paying out a few bob to their riders and bringing in ‘experienced’ riders to strengthen their chances of success. 

Congratulations on the title , but don't get carried away with it.

 

 

With the team building restrictions then it will always be necessary to bring others in to plug the gaps to get under the limit. It is convenient to ignore literally every other member of the current Leicester team that has been developing through the Cubs. Foord, James, Springer, Joe Thompson. Max Perry would for sure have been a Cub again but for the limit. Not to mention Dan Thompson who made his early strides with the Lions.

If every team, and some but very few others can and do, could offer the same opportunities and track time as Leicester then the sport in this country would be in a far better place. That doesn't help it be achieved but it is what should be aimed at.

[SpeedwaySlider72]

On 9/1/2024 at 7:34 PM, secsy1 said:

The opportunities are many, but lack of participation is the prime cause.

You cannot run meetings without riders!

The main problem presently are costs.

Can someone please let everyone know what the cost of SCB Licence is?

Also the cost of ACU licence?

I have been informed to ride in the British Youth Championship that you require both of the above licences.

Then take into consideration machinery costs, parental support with transportation and financial fluid cash to burn.

All motorsports are expensive but it doesn't stop thousands competing in different disciplines every weekend all over the UK!

Making it more affordable may help but it is no silver bullet. Build the tracks, offer the track time and they will come! Fiddling with the format of the NDL will change nothing.

[arnieg]

On 8/31/2024 at 12:38 PM, Fortythirtyeight said:

Some good ideas but there will be less riders around next season with the increase in machinery costs due to the FIM regs and very few clubs having ‘spare juniors’ as even the NJL has struggled and the MDL is a joke. Despite the promises from the top table there’s been a decrease in junior opportunities and less entrants in the youth rounds than ever before.

BYC  - Average no of entrants per class:

2023:  7.67

2024:  8.21

Looks like AN increase to me.

[Fromafar]

Has any Club run NDL at a profit?

[mikebv]

2 hours ago, Fromafar said:

Has any Club run NDL at a profit?

Ones that Len Silver ran? 

[Sings4Speedway]

On 9/3/2024 at 10:17 AM, SpeedwaySlider72 said:

With the team building restrictions then it will always be necessary to bring others in to plug the gaps to get under the limit. It is convenient to ignore literally every other member of the current Leicester team that has been developing through the Cubs. Foord, James, Springer, Joe Thompson. Max Perry would for sure have been a Cub again but for the limit. Not to mention Dan Thompson who made his early strides with the Lions.

If every team, and some but very few others can and do, could offer the same opportunities and track time as Leicester then the sport in this country would be in a far better place. That doesn't help it be achieved but it is what should be aimed at.

Deep breath.....Max James qualifies from your list, the Thompsons were there because of the big sponsorship packages they picked up. Perry could have been kept but was cast out and Springer was desired by several clubs but chose a handy weekend venue.

Yes Leicester do offer more than most other sides (track time/kevlars etc) and thats a big lure hence scooping up the bargain averaged riders. 

The fact is that unless more weekend venues can run at NDL level and offer reliable second half opportunities the supply of riders will simply fizzle out. That and amateur clubs actually getting some support rather than being bullied out by the mafia.