arnieg Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 8 hours ago, szkocjasid said: I would say Speedway already has a system to stop the same clubs finishing bottom every year, it's called the points limit. This should mean teams start equal each year & the richest club can't sign all the best riders. I see no reason why the bottom clubs should get an extra bonus of first pick of "rising stars" Those clubs are often bottom for systemic reasons that apply year after year. If having first pick of rising stars gives (say) Birmingham or King's Lynn a little extra incentive to stay in a league where they can't compete financially and their aspirations are generally limited to avoiding the wooden spoon then I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 3 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: He only moved out because he achieved an average over 4, he’s now back under 4 so we are all assuming he will fit the criteria again What is the age limit for rising stars? I thought it was under 23 at the start of the season (from 24 last season) and is Jordan not 23? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, Gambo95 said: What is the age limit for rising stars? I thought it was under 23 at the start of the season (from 24 last season) and is Jordan not 23? It was 23 or under from January 1st according to this/last season’s rules. We’ll have to wait and see what the criteria is for the 2025 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, arnieg said: Those clubs are often bottom for systemic reasons that apply year after year. If having first pick of rising stars gives (say) Birmingham or King's Lynn a little extra incentive to stay in a league where they can't compete financially and their aspirations are generally limited to avoiding the wooden spoon then I'm all for it. But it’s competition. Where do you stop trying to manufacture performance/results by throwing in a “helping hand” to clubs? If you continue to do that then you slowly take away the competitive nature of the competition itself. It’s a brand new season, the clubs that finished towards the bottom now have equal opportunity to build competitive teams for next year to compete better. They shouldn’t be artificially helped in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, Arch Stanton said: But it’s competition. Where do you stop trying to manufacture performance/results by throwing in a “helping hand” to clubs? If you continue to do that then you slowly take away the competitive nature of the competition itself. It’s a brand new season, the clubs that finished towards the bottom now have equal opportunity to build competitive teams for next year to compete better. They shouldn’t be artificially helped in my opinion. Even football by financial play regulations does this. At the start of the new season all teams do NOT have equal opportunites - some have bigger crowds, better sponsorship, more accommodating landlords, better track access etc. It is NEVER a level playing field. And if you'd rather clubs go out of business because they can't compete - just remember they rarely come back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie456 Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 I'd hold fire on predictions as might not be a premiership if brummies not come to tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShanoXtra Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, arnieg said: Even football by financial play regulations does this. At the start of the new season all teams do NOT have equal opportunites - some have bigger crowds, better sponsorship, more accommodating landlords, better track access etc. It is NEVER a level playing field. And if you'd rather clubs go out of business because they can't compete - just remember they rarely come back. Are the going out of business because they can’t compete though? Or is it the fact Birmingham clearly don’t have a bigger fan base than say the witches. If Birmingham won the league last year, do you think that will double / triple, their crowds this year? Probably ask people in Birmingham what speedway is and they won’t know. That’s the problem, nothing about being competitive. The sport doesn’t have any promotion be it in their own cities or national TV. Not even all speedway fans know about BSN or local clubs having live streams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 55 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said: I'd hold fire on predictions as might not be a premiership if brummies not come to tapes. We have had 6 before. So guessing we can do 6 teams again. Although not ideal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, Phil The Ace said: We have had 6 before. So guessing we can do 6 teams again. Although not ideal 6 teams make the league even more embarrassing. Needs 8 ideally. Still always going to advocate for one big league. Sod the GP riders and promote our own kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 51 minutes ago, FishersGate said: 6 teams make the league even more embarrassing. Needs 8 ideally. Still always going to advocate for one big league. Sod the GP riders and promote our own kids. One big league worked in the 90s but it wouldn’t work now. There aren’t enough riders to staff all the teams & even if they could somehow find it the strength would be lower than the current championship & the standard of racing would be awful because of the gulf in rider standard. All that while trying to charge the same if not more than current championship admission at least. I can’t see the premiership clubs lowering the cost of admission enough to reflect the lower standard. it would lead to decreasing attendances all over & a race to the bottom to see which club is the last standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, cowboy cookie returns? said: One big league worked in the 90s but it wouldn’t work now. No it didn't that's why it only lasted 2 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 Think it's clear who the bottom 2 are next season. Birmingham saying they're skint & King's Lynn not looking for a big hitter, maybe they should just look forward to 2026 already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 1 hour ago, Daniel Smith said: Think it's clear who the bottom 2 are next season. Birmingham saying they're skint & King's Lynn not looking for a big hitter, maybe they should just look forward to 2026 already. Well said Daniel. Absolutely True. A team needs 2 big hitters end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 You need to have 2 big hitters who will get you around 13 points each a meeting The best 3 teams in the league had Doyle and Emil… Kurtz and Bewley and Holder and Tai…. Those 6 riders aren’t going to get any better but they will get you what you need from them Kings Lynn pack their side with riders who aren’t number ones and aren’t going to get any better like Lawson NKI Basso …. Plenty of those riders about like Craig Cook and Danny King and even Chris Harris …. Theses guys will get you 6-7 a meeting but will occasionally get you 10 and sometimes 5…. You can’t rely on a 1-7 of riders at that level it won’t work as the team with the big hitters will pack the rest of the team with improvers who at times will beat the ‘Lawson’ type of rider….. nobody would be shocked if Rew, Pickering or Ben Cook beat Lawson or King would they Two big hitters a solid third heat leader and then second strings who can get you 6 a meeting is the way to go Kings Lynn have a 1-5 of riders who will get on average 7 a meeting… some will get 10 and some 5…… that’s only around 42 points a meeting it’s not enough At Ipswich you knew Doyle and Emil would get minimum 25 at home …. King and Ellis usually 14 between them …. Leaves 3 riders to get 6 and we had Dan and Rew doing that all season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BenMoran Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 When are we going to start seeing some team announcements, or do we have to wait for the annual pi$$ up/AGMin Spain to be finished in November? Every other country making riders as per usual just the usual dawdling around by British teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, 4BenMoran said: When are we going to start seeing some team announcements, or do we have to wait for the annual pi$$ up/AGMin Spain to be finished in November? Every other country making riders as per usual just the usual dawdling around by British teams We have to wait on rider's not signing or being signed in Poland & Sweden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 1 hour ago, 4BenMoran said: When are we going to start seeing some team announcements, or do we have to wait for the annual pi$$ up/AGMin Spain to be finished in November? Every other country making riders as per usual just the usual dawdling around by British teams The boffs have got to get a tan first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishersGate Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 With GP lines up announced for next season does anybody reckon any current or ex GP riders will take the plunge to ride in Britian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 On 10/4/2024 at 12:16 PM, Gavan said: You need to have 2 big hitters who will get you around 13 points each a meeting The best 3 teams in the league had Doyle and Emil… Kurtz and Bewley and Holder and Tai…. Those 6 riders aren’t going to get any better but they will get you what you need from them Kings Lynn pack their side with riders who aren’t number ones and aren’t going to get any better like Lawson NKI Basso …. Plenty of those riders about like Craig Cook and Danny King and even Chris Harris …. Theses guys will get you 6-7 a meeting but will occasionally get you 10 and sometimes 5…. You can’t rely on a 1-7 of riders at that level it won’t work as the team with the big hitters will pack the rest of the team with improvers who at times will beat the ‘Lawson’ type of rider….. nobody would be shocked if Rew, Pickering or Ben Cook beat Lawson or King would they Two big hitters a solid third heat leader and then second strings who can get you 6 a meeting is the way to go Kings Lynn have a 1-5 of riders who will get on average 7 a meeting… some will get 10 and some 5…… that’s only around 42 points a meeting it’s not enough At Ipswich you knew Doyle and Emil would get minimum 25 at home …. King and Ellis usually 14 between them …. Leaves 3 riders to get 6 and we had Dan and Rew doing that all season If every team had two "big hitters" then the current "big hitters" would not be as successful simply because they would be beating each other. The three teams you refer two had a competitive advantage over most of the other teams this year, most of the time, so long as all of the big hitters remained fit. However, in the case of one or more being unavailable, as was the case then there was a scarcity of RR availability unlike for "middle order" riders. Thus there is an argument for a balanced approach across the team such as at Leicester, who finished second in the league, runners up in the play offs (to a great BV team) and actually managed aggregate wins in the league v BV, Sheffield and Ipswich. That all said, If every team did have two big hitters, heats 13 & 15 would be something to relish and would be great entertainment, Entertainment? now there's a concept for the promoters to consider creating more of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted October 7 Report Share Posted October 7 11 minutes ago, FishersGate said: With GP lines up announced for next season does anybody reckon any current or ex GP riders will take the plunge to ride in Britian? Do you mean in addition to those that current do ride here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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