rocketrod Posted Saturday at 07:50 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:50 PM Well done Robert, the first of many I hope. As for Zmarslik , he is one of the all time greats. It’s not his fault about the opposition. He has been consistently the best rider in the MODERN era of Gp’s. And probably will break the all time record as it stands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM Terrible track prep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 07:56 PM 2 hours ago, mikebv said: Could be a great race track if they just put some more grip into it... When it rains it often delivers some very good racing.. Racers will go out to find the grip, and those less capable will stay on the slick... Go back to the old one off World finals…. Vojens would be grippy at the practice then At the final they took the dirt off for a slick track to suit the Danes… check with Joe Screen .. Looks like Deja vu…. Tatum tonight said…. I don’t know why they have taken the dirt off from this afternoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted Saturday at 08:04 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:04 PM Just a reminder; things could have been different had Doyle been around for more than three GP's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 08:08 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:08 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: Was that race world title no5 for zmarzlik I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows, there's thousands in attendance that don't know, nobody at WBD seems to know, even Einstein with a super computer wouldn't know... every year we have to go through this fiasco of not knowing who needs to do what with this ridiculous scoring system! Edited Saturday at 08:10 PM by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted Saturday at 08:10 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:10 PM 1 hour ago, TheSmiler said: Kelvin Tatum “and umm, err”. Every other sentence! Indeed it is No doubt about it and no question are the ones which he constantly trots out after Chris Louis has finished talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted Saturday at 08:17 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:17 PM 54 minutes ago, RoundTheBoards said: Shocking track with such an advantage to the inside gates and no passing. Warner Brothers must be desperate to get an English Grand Prix at Belle Vue to get some entertainment. Hope so! We crave some world class racing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM 1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said: But will anybody remember Piotr protasiewicz in years to come ? Money isn’t everything His bank manager (and wife ) will 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 08:20 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:20 PM 1 hour ago, mikebv said: He certainly ain't no Pythagoras... But, to be fair.. I never saw Pythagoras ride a speedway bike...😁 Could only ride triangular shaped tracks... like Eastbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted Saturday at 08:28 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:28 PM 18 minutes ago, IainB said: I don't know, you don't know, nobody knows, there's thousands in attendance that don't know, nobody at WBD seems to know, even Einstein with a super computer wouldn't know... every year we have to go through this fiasco of not knowing who needs to do what with this ridiculous scoring system! Indeed, had Zmarzlik finished 4th on the final & it went to the last round. He may have won the world title in his first race, but we wouldn't know about it till doing the sums after heat 20. Worst scoring system ever! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted Saturday at 08:31 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:31 PM 1 minute ago, szkocjasid said: Indeed, had Zmarzlik finished 4th on the final & it went to the last round. He may have won the world title in his first race, but we wouldn't know about it till doing the sums after heat 20. Worst scoring system ever! They do it to liven up the sport make it more interesting providing talking points when there is a dull meeting At least you can juggle with the scoring and 'guess' if BZ is world champ or not, that makes it more interesting too Baldrick would explain it better he would say 'it's all part of a ................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 08:31 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:31 PM (edited) Well done to Rob & Bartek... but Zmarzlik is undoubtedly a class rider and easily the best of his generation, he could afford to miss Vojens last year and use Cardiff as a test session this year and still win with a round to spare. He was basically gifted the 2020 world title has had his 2 major rivals removed from the series and further still won this year's with the weakest line up for quite some time. I think there's quite a bit in what others have said about the money available in Poland devaluing the SGP series. You can only beat what's put in front of you though, so fair play to him. Edited Saturday at 08:46 PM by IainB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted Saturday at 08:50 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:50 PM Everybody keeps saying bad scoring system in fact every time we have had a scoring system its been a bad one according to most on here....I have news for you, NO scoring system will suit everybody......do I like this scoring system? NO! I preferred where every point counted but some didn't like that how could someone win a GP with less than that the overall. The easiest way would be all points count in the qualifying, semis and Finals but then you would get complaints when the final is won by someone who did not win the GP......I give up!!! So what system does someone have out there that is gloriously faultless....I'm all ears, 'cos I can't figure one out that would make everyone happy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted Saturday at 08:57 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:57 PM It's very simply done. I think it's been tried before 3 points for a win 2 for 2nd place 1 for 3rd place In every race Quite simple I think then everyone would know where they were 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted Saturday at 08:58 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 08:58 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, andout said: Everybody keeps saying bad scoring system in fact every time we have had a scoring system its been a bad one according to most on here....I have news for you, NO scoring system will suit everybody......do I like this scoring system? NO! I preferred where every point counted but some didn't like that how could someone win a GP with less than that the overall. The easiest way would be all points count in the qualifying, semis and Finals but then you would get complaints when the final is won by someone who did not win the GP......I give up!!! So what system does someone have out there that is gloriously faultless....I'm all ears, 'cos I can't figure one out that would make everyone happy..... The scoring system needs to be fan/viewer friendly first and foremost. You shouldn't have to need to have a laptop in front of you to know what the hell is going on. Edited Saturday at 09:03 PM by IainB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted Saturday at 09:04 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:04 PM 1 minute ago, Mr. Clemens said: It's very simply done. I think it's been tried before 3 points for a win 2 for 2nd place 1 for 3rd place In every race Quite simple I think then everyone would know where they were Bartek would still win... But... The minor placings might be a bit more varied.... It's the lack of competion that is the issue... If, indeed, it is an issue...? Many a sports series has a dominant force yet is still successful... As I have said, when you earn plenty more for riding in Poland than you can ever earn in the GP's, then you will always consider "risk and reward".. And, quite rightly in such a dangerous occupation, take the money in Poland before taking too many risks in the GP's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Clemens Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:10 PM 3 minutes ago, mikebv said: Bartek would still win... But... The minor placings might be a bit more varied.... It's the lack of competion that is the issue... If, indeed, it is an issue...? Many a sports series has a dominant force yet is still successful... As I have said, when you earn plenty more for riding in Poland than you can ever earn in the GP's, then you will always consider "risk and reward".. And, quite rightly in such a dangerous occupation, take the money in Poland before taking too many risks in the GP's . You are right when you say Bartek would still win But, truthfully, right from the beginning of the GP's with the different scoring systems. I just thought why don't they just score in the time honoured fashion. We proceed on the assumption that they best will win, whichever way you perm it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andout Posted Saturday at 09:36 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:36 PM 31 minutes ago, IainB said: The scoring system needs to be fan/viewer friendly first and foremost. You shouldn't have to need to have a laptop in front of you to know what the hell is going on. F1 has been doing this for a million years (well maybe not a million), a little bit different maybe as Speedway goes to sixteen places but I don't hear any complaints from F1 fans 'cos that's the way it is. This wasn't that difficult, true Kelvin and Chris had no bloody idea but that is lack of preparation on their part.....the difference was 17 points, BZ needed to make it a 21 difference. Doesn't really take a brain surgeon just someone feeding the two commentators of what is happening. OR preparation. Um-Er....I don't know!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted Saturday at 09:37 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:37 PM 55 minutes ago, IainB said: Well done to Rob & Bartek... but Zmarzlik is undoubtedly a class rider and easily the best of his generation, he could afford to miss Vojens last year and use Cardiff as a test session this year and still win with a round to spare. He was basically gifted the 2020 world title has had his 2 major rivals removed from the series and further still won this year's with the weakest line up for quite some time. I think there's quite a bit in what others have said about the money available in Poland devaluing the SGP series. You can only beat what's put in front of you though, so fair play to him. He was not “gifted” any of his World Titles.Sour Grapes for some reason.IMO. You seem to think the others are not really bothered.Like he says he just likes racing his bike. He doesn’t set the rules or who competes or the venues, he just beats who turns up. Seems to be a genuine nice guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted Saturday at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:38 PM Delighted that Robert got his first SGP win. Looks like he can get silver in the overall standings… hope so 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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