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51 minutes ago, midlandred said:

Many used to stay behind to watch GG in the “third half” at Brandon when he first started riding over here!

 

2 hours ago, 1 valve said:

Gary Gugliemi was a headcase . Period!

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On 8/27/2024 at 8:07 PM, IainB said:

Kenny Carter? Jason Garrity? Kenni Larsen?

Kenni Larsen is the last rider people would have thought as dangerous. His gating ensured he was nearly always coming out of the second bend in first place. One of the nicest riders to ride in British Speedway

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On 10/23/2024 at 9:36 AM, Youhave2minutes said:

And now join the list the maniac Vinnie Foord.

Unfair. Young riders all have a dangerous mistake  within them. Some will act upon on this and learn from mistakes and others become those dangerous riders. Ask this question again in 5 years time and you maybe right, but not yet.

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4 hours ago, 1Tsunami said:

Kenni Larsen is the last rider people would have thought as dangerous. His gating ensured he was nearly always coming out of the second bend in first place. One of the nicest riders to ride in British Speedway

He did manage to shoot himself in the head though didn't he? in some kind of bizarre accident? He was safe enough on a bike though.

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13 hours ago, Petecc said:

Unfair. Young riders all have a dangerous mistake  within them. Some will act upon on this and learn from mistakes and others become those dangerous riders. Ask this question again in 5 years time and you maybe right, but not yet.

I've just re-read an interview with Gary Havelock he made in "Backtrack" some years back and then he was saying that laydown engines didn't "offer" the opportunity for riders to apply throttle control...it was either off or full on with nothing in between and personally I think this is the problem with many riders now. The bikes are too powerfull for the often too restricted tracks which can cause issues with riders seemingly "out of control."

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1 hour ago, steve roberts said:

I've just re-read an interview with Gary Havelock he made in "Backtrack" some years back and then he was saying that laydown engines didn't "offer" the opportunity for riders to apply throttle control...it was either off or full on with nothing in between and personally I think this is the problem with many riders now. The bikes are too powerfull for the often too restricted tracks which can cause issues with riders seemingly "out of control."

I would go along with that riders seem obsessed with power and IMO the likes of Poland are able to build tracks to accommodate these rocket machines .In this country most of the power is needed to get off the start ,even then this will vary from rider to rider  naturally taller  heavier riders will  need more than shall we say shorter lighter riders. Scott Nicholls has said this is one of the reasons he has always struggled on big fast tracks ,the natural power to weight ratio .

Look at the GP's BZ , Hancock compared to Freddie or Doyle who are natrally going to be heavier  need more power to get the bike off the start.That power is then unmanageable during the race on many occasions, hence why we see bikes picking up and heading for the fence !       

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4 hours ago, FAST GATER said:

I would go along with that riders seem obsessed with power and IMO the likes of Poland are able to build tracks to accommodate these rocket machines .In this country most of the power is needed to get off the start ,even then this will vary from rider to rider  naturally taller  heavier riders will  need more than shall we say shorter lighter riders. Scott Nicholls has said this is one of the reasons he has always struggled on big fast tracks ,the natural power to weight ratio .

Look at the GP's BZ , Hancock compared to Freddie or Doyle who are natrally going to be heavier  need more power to get the bike off the start.That power is then unmanageable during the race on many occasions, hence why we see bikes picking up and heading for the fence !       

Admittedly my involvement with motorbike engines has been largely with MotoGP power units where electrics and tyre development is  way ahead (and necessary) of speedway units although the basic engineering concept still applies to both, namely, torque is required to get the bike moving and revs (horse power) needed to maintain the delivery of power.
Speedway engine builders will be aware of this and will always be faced with juggling to balance these two factors which are not mutually exclusive to one another & hence engines can be built/adjusted to varying degrees of torque & HP for different types of track/circuit
The lower center of gravity of the lay down machines v the uprights would them easier to lean over and create an easier break of the tyre/surface and thus turn quickly if and when required although most probably no easier to race on over four laps - just different. 
 

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