bloom89 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, SUPERACE said: Yes that really makes sense, don't talk silly. Nothing silly about it? He was fit enough to complete four rides at bv in the morning but then was suddenly unfit for the evening meeting. If he was so “injured” don’t ride in either meeting… hardly rocket science. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 (edited) 20 minutes ago, bloom89 said: Nothing silly about it? He was fit enough to complete four rides at bv in the morning but then was suddenly unfit for the evening meeting. If he was so “injured” don’t ride in either meeting… hardly rocket science. He broke ribs in Poland last week (see video on this thread), something must have also happened in Poland on Sunday as he arrived at Belle Vue yesterday morning in lot of pain but said would give it a go, anyone who was there could see he wasn’t the usual Kurtz round NSS and only took his 4 programmed rides. Afterwards he was taken to hospital with breathing difficulties so obviously couldn’t ride at Sheffield. He has now withdrawn from Swedish playoff meeting tonight too. Edited August 27 by Rob B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, AceBelle said: Just read a,swedish report from Dackarna kurtz not riding tonight due to cracked ribs sustained in Poland breathing problems yesterday went to hospital so it likely he will miss Lynn on weds ? if he rides for rybnik at weekend? he will probably be fit for play/offs 9th Sept it would be nice if Aces could report this instead of fans finding out through other media?? Exactly, it’s not difficult is it, Dackarna obviously think it’s important to let fans know what’s happening. It’s a shame Lemon doesn’t Edited August 27 by bigcatdiary 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, bloom89 said: Nothing silly about it? He was fit enough to complete four rides at bv in the morning but then was suddenly unfit for the evening meeting. If he was so “injured” don’t ride in either meeting… hardly rocket science. Again stop being silly, your post is very childish, if you don't eat all your tea your not getting dessert. How about Brady had bad crash at weekend, tried to give it a go in the morning meeting, then went to hospital due to breathing difficulties and was unable to ride in the evening. If you think he's done wrong then you will never be happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, ouch said: Firstly get well soon Brady. It’s great to see a rider not take the pee out of the sport here in the UK like so many others who will complete foreign league meetings then swerve the UK. Brady’s never done that and will always if possible turn out for the UK fans, similar to Doyle. Must be an Aussie thing. Sterling effort from Brady to ride at Belle Vue yesterday. The Captain gave it his all, despite being in pain. So very easy for keyboard warriors to knock him. For his efforts, he was "rewarded" with a trip to hospital. And some clowns want him banned for trying his hardest to ride for his team - just amazing! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, spin king junior said: So what do we do in this circumstance? He's ridden through the pain barrier in the Belle Vue meeting, cannot adequately recover over the hours and pulls out of the next meeting. Look i think we all agree riders pulling out has been a massive problem this season, but in this circumstance it's a legitimate injury and one where Brady has tried to ride through it. I think as a sport we have got to find the balance of where we do challenge those who are taking the mick, but we have to look after the riders who are injured or carrying an injury. Depends what you define a legitimate injury tho? Pulling out with the old cracked ribs line or too sore can often be disputed when they ride for their Polish team days later. riders who have clearly taken the mick like Pawlicki and Musielak and others need strong actions however it’s that fine line between genuinely injured for one club but not another. Tricky one. 4 hours ago, racers and royals said: If you think no other league puts up with riders missing meetings you want to take a look at the Swedish league. RR was used 37 times in the 56 regular season matches and 3 teams Smederna, Rospiggarna and Piraterna used it in 50% of their matches. I wasn’t really referring to RR more specifically being absent through injury then riding elsewhere in the same week. 3 hours ago, mikebv said: All very valid, however.. Meetings still get planned in knowing riders won't be available due to riding elsewhere.... Which suggests the whole shebang isn't taken too seriously even by those who run it.. Thus, riders seem to come and go as they please, or, possibly more accurately maybe? as Poland tells them.. Those planned meetings I accept when there is a country clash. Those only tho. 2 hours ago, SUPERACE said: I agree Steve what possible could Kurtz have been doing earlier in the day to get injured. PS you don't have to fall off a bike to get injured. It just all smells a bit funny. I’m sure he will be racing in a Poland tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Rob B said: He broke ribs in Poland last week (see video on this thread), something must have also happened in Poland on Sunday as he arrived at Belle Vue yesterday morning in lot of pain but said would give it a go, anyone who was there could see he wasn’t the usual Kurtz round NSS and only took his 4 programmed rides. Afterwards he was taken to hospital with breathing difficulties so obviously couldn’t ride at Sheffield. He has now withdrawn from Swedish playoff meeting tonight too. But apart from all that.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 Whilst this forum is well known for the wrong un’s (some officially) or what I use to call scumbags it’s utterly amazing the depths these people will stoop to on a public forum for some peculiar thrill. They go on about riders missing meetings on a whim but when one gives it a go he then continues to get laid into. The lad was in hospital for Christ sake - what the hell is wrong with you. I know he’s an Ace and you love to troll The Aces but this is an unwell human being FFS. Why are Belle Vue and Lemon the only ones being held to account for the publicity surrounding a Sheffield fixture. They run the show and have final say. I’d not be surprised to see The Aces blamed for their pee poor track. Just back off with the tedious trolling of The Aces and try using your brain and attack the correct target. We made sure the information got out there unofficially. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloom89 Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 48 minutes ago, SUPERACE said: Again stop being silly, your post is very childish, if you don't eat all your tea your not getting dessert. How about Brady had bad crash at weekend, tried to give it a go in the morning meeting, then went to hospital due to breathing difficulties and was unable to ride in the evening. If you think he's done wrong then you will never be happy. Broken/cracked ribs are notoriously painful injuries granted, he’s not riding Tuesday or Wednesday for either his clubs fair enough but I doubt he’ll miss the play off meeting in Poland at the weekend. Not childish at all he took time out earlier in the season when he was injured.. do so again instead of riding half fit and then missing meetings. If he had such breathing difficulties during the bv match surely track dr or paramedic should’ve medically withdrawn him from the meeting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, bigcatdiary said: Exactly, it’s not difficult is it, Dackarna obviously think it’s important to let fans know what’s happening. It’s a shame Lemon doesn’t Agreed 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted August 27 Author Report Share Posted August 27 22 minutes ago, ouch said: Whilst this forum is well known for the wrong un’s (some officially) or what I use to call scumbags it’s utterly amazing the depths these people will stoop to on a public forum for some peculiar thrill. They go on about riders missing meetings on a whim but when one gives it a go he then continues to get laid into. The lad was in hospital for Christ sake - what the hell is wrong with you. I know he’s an Ace and you love to troll The Aces but this is an unwell human being FFS. Why are Belle Vue and Lemon the only ones being held to account for the publicity surrounding a Sheffield fixture. They run the show and have final say. I’d not be surprised to see The Aces blamed for their pee poor track. Just back off with the tedious trolling of The Aces and try using your brain and attack the correct target. We made sure the information got out there unofficially. I can only assume people have never experienced cracked, broken or damaged ribs! However if they are as suggested them i'd be surprised if he is fit enough to ride for a week or two at least! Of course what would helped is if the Bv management had got their backside into gear and updated people properly after the lunchtimne meeting, it finished about 2pm and they have 5 hrs to get some form of update out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 3 minutes ago, GeneralMelchett said: I can only assume people have never experienced cracked, broken or damaged ribs! However if they are as suggested them i'd be surprised if he is fit enough to ride for a week or two at least! Of course what would helped is if the Bv management had got their backside into gear and updated people properly after the lunchtimne meeting, it finished about 2pm and they have 5 hrs to get some form of update out. and the Sheffield promotion who were staging the event and aware of Brady’s wellbeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 the only way Brady will get a Ban is if he fails to ride for the Aces after he has rode for either Rybnik or Dackarna so we will all have to wait and see what happens ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 3 hours ago, 40-38 said: Surely it would have been a good idea to let supporters know that there was doubt and that he was riding through the pain barrier and would see how it went? It's simple comms like this that would stop all some of the moaning at least. As a non BV or Sheffield fan watching that I had no idea what had happened, and let's face it speedway is a sport for the embittered old cynic in all of us. Those of us watching on TV had no idea either and seemingly neither did the TV people, though that's not saying much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 Because Belle Vue and Lemon are responsible for information coming out about the Aces and meetings, the match report mentions Kurtz getting 8+1 despite struggling with injury. They could have added because he struggled despite given it a go whilst injured he has withdrawn from the second leg tonight at Sheffield and BV will be operating rider replacement. As I said it’s not difficult, I might have missed it but I haven’t read anything on the BV website recently about Kurtz being taken to hospital with suspected broken ribs after crashing in Poland, I am sure I will reminded if I have missed it, it’s certainly not mentioned in the BV match preview with Lemon at pains to stress the importance of the double header. This sort of news is relevant to supporters, it doesn’t have to go into any great detail but it’s interesting that most of the news surrounding riders and teams is found on this forum and not backed up by the official websites. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, iainb said: Those of us watching on TV had no idea either and seemingly neither did the TV people, though that's not saying much Fair point but to be fair to Kelvin & Oliver Allen they both were clearly under the impression finishing top of the league gave the top team choice of semi final opponents and not for the first time either. I like both Kelvin and Olly but I do think presenters should have a working knowledge of the rules and the very relevant information about the current state of the teams riding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 26 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: Because Belle Vue and Lemon are responsible for information coming out about the Aces and meetings, the match report mentions Kurtz getting 8+1 despite struggling with injury. They could have added because he struggled despite given it a go whilst injured he has withdrawn from the second leg tonight at Sheffield and BV will be operating rider replacement. As I said it’s not difficult, I might have missed it but I haven’t read anything on the BV website recently about Kurtz being taken to hospital with suspected broken ribs after crashing in Poland, I am sure I will reminded if I have missed it, it’s certainly not mentioned in the BV match preview with Lemon at pains to stress the importance of the double header. This sort of news is relevant to supporters, it doesn’t have to go into any great detail but it’s interesting that most of the news surrounding riders and teams is found on this forum and not backed up by the official websites. They didn’t “go into any great detail” in todays meeting report on the website saying “Brady Kurtz was forced to withdraw still suffering the effects of a crash in Poland a week ago”. As for information prior to the evening meeting. When money speaks, the truth keeps silent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, AceBelle said: the only way Brady will get a Ban is if he fails to ride for the Aces after he has rode for either Rybnik or Dackarna so we will all have to wait and see what happens ? This is true of any UK league rider that participates in foreign leagues. Quite why an Ace is being trolled in this manner is beyond me. It was the same earlier in the season, if Brady does this or if Brady does that then he’ll be banned. He did nothing to be banned for and wasn’t banned but the troll bile keeps flowing. Unbelievable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceBelle Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 9 minutes ago, ouch said: This is true of any UK league rider that participates in foreign leagues. Quite why an Ace is being trolled in this manner is beyond me. It was the same earlier in the season, if Brady does this or if Brady does that then he’ll be banned. He did nothing to be banned for and wasn’t banned but the troll bile keeps flowing. Unbelievable! Agreed 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 6 hours ago, ouch said: No. I’m saying Belle Vue didn’t get any gate money from the evening fixture. That's not the same as not deceiving any of their paying customers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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