Rickyag Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, TTT said: I'm only cheering for Ipswich on a temporary basis until Peterborough return. Peterborough is my team but I've gone to Foxhall a few times this season to see some live Speedway as it's my choice of track to visit while the Panthers are out of action so it's only natural to cheer them on in the process considering I'm paying to watch them. A bit like Wolves fans at Brum or Swindon fans at Oxford. We are the same, drive through Boston & KL to Ipswich, can honestly say we will never go to KL while Chapman and Allitt are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 8 hours ago, DaveWayne said: I'm pretty sure we are in agreement as your reply mirrors a lot of what I said. Yes, the promoters need to gamble. The fans want to see the world class riders and a league match containing Doyle, Sayfutdinov, Woffinden, and the Holder brothers is something we could have only dreamed of a few years ago. Sadly, it hasn't worked out for either team this season due to injuries, although so far we haven't suffered quite as badly as last season. As you say, when the gamble fails there is no sympathy from others as everyone wants to see their team win, irrespective of the circumstances. Fair points there - I like to think because my club have now closed down I am more circumspect about things particularly teams loyalties etc last night was just a hard watch - from the racing / presentation / amateurs doing the camera and graphics / if I was a proper Sheffield fan I would have taken no joy in that win as the entire lot was just rubbish! The Witches simply fell apart the moment The tigers went ahead! But well done them - you can only beat what’s in front of you - it doesn’t represent Ipswich well to see a large stadium almost deserted and a team with 3 of the regular side out! I know having been a lot that you can and do get good meetings and racing there normally when either Jason or Emil are riding through from the back! Eurosport / Discovery+ couldn’t do any worse but to sub the entire process out to the BSN who do a better job in my view! I can only assume the summer intern was updating the scores last night and has no knowledge or interest in speedway the number of mistakes made! I fear the season is over for the Witches - Leicester my team to watch out for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, TTT said: I'm only cheering for Ipswich on a temporary basis until Peterborough return. Peterborough is my team but I've gone to Foxhall a few times this season to see some live Speedway as it's my choice of track to visit while the Panthers are out of action so it's only natural to cheer them on in the process considering I'm paying to watch them. A bit like Wolves fans at Brum or Swindon fans at Oxford. I really hope you get Peterborough back one day! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Just caught up with this and like everybody else I've got to say what a complete shambles of a televised sporting production in almost every aspect... I was half expecting Mick Fleetwood and Sam Fox to put in an appearance at some point! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralMelchett Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, iainb said: Just caught up with this and like everybody else I've got to say what a complete shambles of a televised sporting production in almost every aspect... I was half expecting Mick Fleetwood and Sam Fox to put in an appearance at some point! Some won’t get that! actually one bright spot was Doyley being interviewed - Ipswich need him back in 2025!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, Rickyag said: We are the same, drive through Boston & KL to Ipswich, can honestly say we will never go to KL while Chapman and Allitt are there. Same here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 3 hours ago, TTT said: I'm only cheering for Ipswich on a temporary basis until Peterborough return. Peterborough is my team but I've gone to Foxhall a few times this season to see some live Speedway as it's my choice of track to visit while the Panthers are out of action so it's only natural to cheer them on in the process considering I'm paying to watch them. A bit like Wolves fans at Brum or Swindon fans at Oxford. Fair enough mate - I just went by what it said on the tin. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTT Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 44 minutes ago, DaveWayne said: Fair enough mate - I just went by what it said on the tin. 😉 It's my fault as it did give out mixed signals lol. I've changed it now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 8 hours ago, DaveWayne said: The irony of that first sentence bearing in mind the grief your fans dished out to Sheffield for their use of guests in last years playoffs when both their 1 and 5 were injured. Didn't think anyone complained about Sheffield using guests last season. I thought it was with Lambert having an adjusted average (not an actual average) and the fact that Harris had guested for Ipswich in the playoffs that the talk was about. 7 hours ago, Steve Irving said: What about missing Vissing? Paid double figures from his convenient guest replacement wasn’t it? Shame the convenient guest could only muster a couple of paid double figure scores for Berwick this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMiller Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 18 hours ago, iainb said: Just caught up with this and like everybody else I've got to say what a complete shambles of a televised sporting production in almost every aspect... I was half expecting Mick Fleetwood and Sam Fox to put in an appearance at some point! Oh god that brings back bad memories... !! Was it really that bad ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 (edited) 21 minutes ago, StephenMiller said: Oh god that brings back bad memories... !! Was it really that bad ? It was to sport what those Brit awards were to music Fortunately nobody really saw it Edited August 21 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 18 hours ago, Gambo95 said: Didn't think anyone complained about Sheffield using guests last season. Think you need to reread the thread, some wanted Sheffield to use no guests 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo95 Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 54 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Think you need to reread the thread, some wanted Sheffield to use no guests Please quote whole post. I said people were talking about Lambert being on an adjusted average and Harris had guested for Ipswich in the playoffs. I might need to pick what parts of a post to adjust what people say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 21 Report Share Posted August 21 Just caught up on this match and probably the worst in history. Racing was non existent, the odd pass but a near complete bore fest. The Witches are waving the white flag without their top 2. Guest won’t give the other riders the confidence boost they need. Both are irreplaceable. Such a shame however we all know it’s having riders fit and in form for the start of September that matter. Many teams before them have faced the same fate sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Irving Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, stevebrum said: Just caught up on this match and probably the worst in history. Racing was non existent, the odd pass but a near complete bore fest. The Witches are waving the white flag without their top 2. Guest won’t give the other riders the confidence boost they need. Both are irreplaceable. Such a shame however we all know it’s having riders fit and in form for the start of September that matter. Many teams before them have faced the same fate sadly. You keep saying this, but nobody has lost their top two of the calibre of Sayfutdinov and Doyle. Jacob Thorssell isn’t a comparison amd losing him isn’t quite the same blow is it whichever way you slice it. In any case, those that have been hit have been able to replace those riders right up until the play offs. Play off Bob has rocked up more than once for play offs. Ipswich don’t have that option this year. Musielak would have been in for starters if the new 75% rule wasn’t in place. Edited August 22 by Steve Irving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveWayne Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Steve Irving said: You keep saying this, but nobody has lost their top two of the calibre of Sayfutdinov and Doyle. Jacob Thorssell isn’t a comparison amd losing him isn’t quite the same blow is it whichever way you slice it. In any case, those that have been hit have been able to replace those riders right up until the play offs. Play off Bob has rocked up more than once for play offs. Ipswich don’t have that option this year. Musielak would have been in for starters if the new 75% rule wasn’t in place. Again, the gamble of having the 'best 2' riders in the league has been a factor in this as they are virtually 'irreplaceable', but the Ipswich management made that choice. It is fantastic to see these riders in our league, but it severely weakens the team if they are missing as there is a compromise in the remaining 5 riders to fit the limits. Not quite the same level, but losing a 1 and 5 at the same time will rip any team apart, so yes Sheffield had a similar situation last year when they lost Holder, then his replacement Woffinden, and then Musielak. The new 75% rule has scuppered Ipswich with Emil, but can't be blamed for not replacing Doyle. He announced at the beginning of June that he was out for 4-6 months. He obviously wasn't coming back this season so why run R/R for so long ? OK, a different rider probably wouldn't have reached the same heights, but a settled team member with a couple of months to get used to the UK tracks prior to the business end of the season would surely have been better ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 17 hours ago, Steve Irving said: You keep saying this, but nobody has lost their top two of the calibre of Sayfutdinov and Doyle. Jacob Thorssell isn’t a comparison amd losing him isn’t quite the same blow is it whichever way you slice it. In any case, those that have been hit have been able to replace those riders right up until the play offs. Play off Bob has rocked up more than once for play offs. Ipswich don’t have that option this year. Musielak would have been in for starters if the new 75% rule wasn’t in place. Obviously when you have the best 2 riders in the league then they are virtually irreplaceable. That said any team losing their top 2 is massively up against it. Like Wolves were that year. Ipswich have gone from play off favourites to the team anyone wants to meet right now for a certain win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted August 27 Report Share Posted August 27 I watched this today... Odd meeting. Why when Bewley or King gated did the disappear into the distance riding wide yet if they didn't gate did they pootle around the kutb miles behind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted August 28 Report Share Posted August 28 7 hours ago, Col said: I watched this today... Odd meeting. Why when Bewley or King gated did the disappear into the distance riding wide yet if they didn't gate did they pootle around the kutb miles behind? I don’t know about Bewley, but that is classic Danny King & it’s why the fans give him such a hard time coupled with his inability to team ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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