rearingtogo Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 With riders receiving injuries, and some riders are choosing to ride abroad but are withholding services for their uk clubs what’s your opinion on the 28 day ban? I propose a strict sentence of a total U.K. ban to stop this from reoccurring. Your opinion on this issue would be much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 we daren't, there's a talent drain to Poland and there's f all we can do about it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 I think with the sporadic nature of UK fixtures, some teams going weeks without a match and riders riding almost nightly around Europe it's more than likely (as has been proven) that riders will be riding elsewhere and aggravating existing injuries during the season. Because British Speedway chooses to work in its own little bubble where it likes to pretend that no other Speedway exists anywhere else in the world 28 day bans are handed out like confetti. Add to this The Weasel acting as judge, jury and executioner and you get the rules being applied differently to different riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 On 8/14/2024 at 8:50 AM, rearingtogo said: With riders receiving injuries, and some riders are choosing to ride abroad but are withholding services for their uk clubs what’s your opinion on the 28 day ban? I propose a strict sentence of a total U.K. ban to stop this from reoccurring. Your opinion on this issue would be much appreciated. Agreed. It might be tough to start with but British speedway would survive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregularisback Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 If you are fit to ride you ride wherever programmed to ride. If unfit, you don’t ride anywhere. A contract should be binding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 The only real answer would be a binding contract which riders should sign to confirm that they will be available for all British fixtures which should be enforceable in law, and with financial penalties for non-compliance, but even then, it would be virtually impossible for clubs to successfully challenge the fact the a medical certificate is inaccurate. Any rider could always say that even though he has been declared unfit, it is still his personal choice of whether he rides or not. In other words, I am saying that there is no foolproof way of dealing with this problem, other than a total ban on foreign nationals riding for British Clubs. Again, technically illegal and unenforceable if individual clubs challenged it. So we are back to square one - I don't know of an answer to this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 (edited) 27 minutes ago, brianbuck said: The only real answer would be a binding contract which riders should sign to confirm that they will be available for all British fixtures which should be enforceable in law, and with financial penalties for non-compliance, but even then, it would be virtually impossible for clubs to successfully challenge the fact the a medical certificate is inaccurate. Any rider could always say that even though he has been declared unfit, it is still his personal choice of whether he rides or not. In other words, I am saying that there is no foolproof way of dealing with this problem, other than a total ban on foreign nationals riding for British Clubs. Again, technically illegal and unenforceable if individual clubs challenged it. So we are back to square one - I don't know of an answer to this! Not just foreign riders though is it that pick and choose their meetings, there have been some mystery illnesses with British (based) riders this season, some who you'd think better of... then of course there's always the "van (plane) broke down on the way" excuse. Edited August 16 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 That's perfectly true. It's a growing problem and is all the more reason why strong action needs to be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted August 16 Report Share Posted August 16 Some riders can score just 3 points in Poland, (maybe even less?), and pick up the same as a max over here... They know who they need to listen to, and they do as they get asked/told... He who pays the piper etc, etc .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rearingtogo Posted August 18 Author Report Share Posted August 18 (edited) Money! The root of all evil 👿 Edited August 18 by rearingtogo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racin Jason 72 Posted August 18 Report Share Posted August 18 On 8/16/2024 at 7:16 PM, mikebv said: Some riders can score just 3 points in Poland, (maybe even less?), and pick up the same as a max over here... They know who they need to listen to, and they do as they get asked/told... He who pays the piper etc, etc .. Jason Doyle recently said a single point for him in Poland is equal to a 15 point maximum in the uk. !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youhave2minutes Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/18/2024 at 9:49 PM, Racin Jason 72 said: Jason Doyle recently said a single point for him in Poland is equal to a 15 point maximum in the uk. !!!! Now we know why British speedway fails to atract riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/16/2024 at 4:36 PM, brianbuck said: The only real answer would be a binding contract which riders should sign to confirm that they will be available for all British fixtures which should be enforceable in law, and with financial penalties for non-compliance, but even then, it would be virtually impossible for clubs to successfully challenge the fact the a medical certificate is inaccurate. Any rider could always say that even though he has been declared unfit, it is still his personal choice of whether he rides or not. In other words, I am saying that there is no foolproof way of dealing with this problem, other than a total ban on foreign nationals riding for British Clubs. Again, technically illegal and unenforceable if individual clubs challenged it. So we are back to square one - I don't know of an answer to this! Would it be Illegal as we are not in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/16/2024 at 4:36 PM, brianbuck said: The only real answer would be a binding contract which riders should sign to confirm that they will be available for all British fixtures which should be enforceable in law, and with financial penalties for non-compliance, but even then, it would be virtually impossible for clubs to successfully challenge the fact the a medical certificate is inaccurate. Any rider could always say that even though he has been declared unfit, it is still his personal choice of whether he rides or not. In other words, I am saying that there is no foolproof way of dealing with this problem, other than a total ban on foreign nationals riding for British Clubs. Again, technically illegal and unenforceable if individual clubs challenged it. So we are back to square one - I don't know of an answer to this! It would be upto the rider to legally challenge, would they really want to burn bridges with the BSPA and the fans? Poland and England have always set legally dodgy rules(insisting on clubs employing so many national riders). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 On 8/18/2024 at 9:49 PM, Racin Jason 72 said: Jason Doyle recently said a single point for him in Poland is equal to a 15 point maximum in the uk. !!!! If that really is the case, then it is time to cut professional speedway in the UK down to a small handful of venues on a semi-pro basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, TINYS said: Would it be Illegal as we are not in the EU. Any employment contract stipulates which countries law is used as the basis of the contract. By agreeing to sign the contract all parties are bound by the aforementioned law. Further, it is usual that the specified law is that of where the organisation issuing the contract is based especially if the service is to be carried out in that country. Example. UK speedway club issues contract to Australian rider then UK law would be applicable. Edited August 22 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINYS Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 11 minutes ago, 1 valve said: Any employment contract stipulates which countries law is used as the basis of the contract. By agreeing to sign the contract all parties are bound by the aforementioned law. Further, it is usual that the specified law is that of where the organisation issuing the contract is based especially if the service is to be carried out in that country. Example. UK speedway club issues contract to Australian rider then UK law would be applicable. Understood thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) On 8/16/2024 at 4:36 PM, brianbuck said: The only real answer would be a binding contract which riders should sign to confirm that they will be available for all British fixtures which should be enforceable in law, and with financial penalties for non-compliance, but even then, it would be virtually impossible for clubs to successfully challenge the fact the a medical certificate is inaccurate. Any rider could always say that even though he has been declared unfit, it is still his personal choice of whether he rides or not. In other words, I am saying that there is no foolproof way of dealing with this problem, other than a total ban on foreign nationals riding for British Clubs. Again, technically illegal and unenforceable if individual clubs challenged it. So we are back to square one - I don't know of an answer to this! The contracts signed by riders are enforceable in law, but rather than courts deciding on every case over many months/years the recognised governing body have the right to set out penalties which the courts would recognise & accept ( i.e. 28 day ban and drug abuse as examples). It would be perfectly legal for the governing body to impart a total ban on foreign riders competing in the UK which would lead to the end of professional competitive speedway in the UK simply because the ban would be applicable to all riders from Australasia, The Americas, Europe, South America and Asia. In other words all countries, all continents, leaving only UK nationals available to ride in the UK and thus in such a scenario, any competent British rider will more than likely ride abroad full time in order to make a living. Edited August 22 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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