allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 5 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Looks like the Championship will have to reduce in strength to provide a platform for these youngsters to establish themselves as the NDL is no longer viable. So perhaps it is not that some of these kids shouldn't be riding in the Championship but that some of the top riders should be moving on up. No thank you. The championship has suffered enough due to other leagues not being able to operate successfully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Looks like the Championship will have to reduce in strength to provide a platform for these youngsters to establish themselves as the NDL is no longer viable. So perhaps it is not that some of these kids shouldn't be riding in the Championship but that some of the top riders should be moving on up. The Championship is at rock bottom regardingTeam Strengths.Self interest still prevails ,admission prices still rising it’s not all rosy.IMO. Streaming is helping a few Clubs.IMO. Edited June 28 by Fromafar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 Maybe the points limt set needs to be split Sort off top 4 or 5 can't be higher than ?? Allowing more points for reserves or bottom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Looks like the Championship will have to reduce in strength to provide a platform for these youngsters to establish themselves as the NDL is no longer viable. So perhaps it is not that some of these kids shouldn't be riding in the Championship but that some of the top riders should be moving on up. Catch 22 really. A 10 point rider and a 2 point rider in the same races are never likely to create great entertainment. That said there are also a decent amount of new riders who aren't struggling with the step up Killeen, Boughen, Harrison, Hagon etc. The sport has always succeeded when those who were good enough got and held places and always stumbled when those places were filled by riders whos average fitted. Some of the riders struggling would possibly fare better at another track? The bigger concern is the very short list of riders ready to take 2.00 positions next season if the system persists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, mc131 said: Same ndl track ones at belle vue ones at Edinburgh Bit of a blooper.....sadly exposes my lack of interest in the NDL this year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 Max Perry is a rider I admired last season at Northside, would be a good replacement for Sam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler42 Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 4 hours ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Looks like the Championship will have to reduce in strength to provide a platform for these youngsters to establish themselves as the NDL is no longer viable. So perhaps it is not that some of these kids shouldn't be riding in the Championship but that some of the top riders should be moving on up. It was aways the promoter's wishes to get both top leagues as close in standard as possible. To an extent they achieved this by the doubling up system. You only have to look at last night’s meeting at Ipswich. Both Nicholls and Harris scoring very well, but in their next championship meeting they will be riding against some of the youngsters we have been discussing! So once again this has to be down to the promoters who have allowed this to happened? The pro arguments for doubling up is due to lack of riders. But who created this dilemma? Once again the promoters, by weakening the top league, it would make their running costs cheaper. I think they achieved this, but to the detriment of the sport at what costs! Last year saw the return of good quality riders. i.e Woffenden, Holder, Sayfutdinov to name but a few and this season the league has been bolstered by a whole batch of top class riders. So with that in mind the doubling up system shows it's flaws. Take last night’s meeting for an example. Nicholls, King, Ellis, Harris and Wright should be plying there trade in the top flight only. They shouldn’t be anywhere near the Championship league, but the promoters created this and now we have the silly sight of seeing Harris and co riding against, Second strings riders who were reserves last season and second string riders who are now heat leaders, add in the development league riders! Money for old rope as the saying goes for the likes of the riders I mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, SteelShoe said: Max Perry is a rider I admired last season at Northside, would be a good replacement for Sam. Sam's average is close to double of Max's in the Champ, don't see why they'd do that? Edited June 28 by szkocjasid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 7 hours ago, SpeedwaySlider72 said: Looks like the Championship will have to reduce in strength to provide a platform for these youngsters to establish themselves as the NDL is no longer viable. So perhaps it is not that some of these kids shouldn't be riding in the Championship but that some of the top riders should be moving on up. 100% agree, when the limit is lowered, it's rarely the top riders who miss out (unless they want to) so it's the 4/5/6 points riders who tend to lose their team places, meaning a bigger gap between the top & bottom riders. In an ideal world the top 9 riders in the league should be leaving the Champ, doing Prem & possibly Poland, leaving room for the next group of NDL prospects. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojangles Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 3 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: Sam's average is close to double of Max's in the Champ, don't see why they'd do that? There are also quite a few NDL riders without Champ teams that have better 2024 averages than both... 9.92 - Jody Scott 9.41 - Jason Garrad 8.48 - Tom Spencer 7.79 - Matt Marson 7.71 - Luke Crang 7.64 - Ashton Vale 6.95 - Arran Butcher 6.86 - Dayle Wood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelShoe Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 4 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Sam's average is close to double of Max's in the Champ, don't see why they'd do that? I don't expect they will. Last season Max Perry had an higher average by 1.5 to 2 points both home and away than Sam and also outscored him in all 4 clashes with Leicester Lion Cubs. Poole seen the promise in him for 2024. He had a bad accident in the last meeting of the season which may have affected his early season confidence. Max was scoring good points on a regular basis last season in a team that had Vinnie Foord at reserve on half the average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 This whole sorry business of dropping riders (sacking) call it what you like was outlined in an article by Phil Lansing in last weeks Speedway Star ....and to what end , move up the League a place if your lucky , I appreciate fans want a winning side but to drop and sign riders on a whim is wrong in my humble opinion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 22 minutes ago, topaz325 said: This whole sorry business of dropping riders (sacking) call it what you like was outlined in an article by Phil Lansing in last weeks Speedway Star ....and to what end , move up the League a place if your lucky , I appreciate fans want a winning side but to drop and sign riders on a whim is wrong in my humble opinion. I agree. It's like an obsession. As soon as someone has a bad meeting people are online banging on about possible replacements. It drives me crazy sometimes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 2 hours ago, Grachan said: I agree. It's like an obsession. As soon as someone has a bad meeting people are online banging on about possible replacements. It drives me crazy sometimes. ......Tate in for Connor Mountain at Belle vue..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 35 minutes ago, topaz325 said: ......Tate in for Connor Mountain at Belle vue..... The headline says veu have entered the transfer market surely we aint sold him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 A Premiership team would be a better fit for tate if he has ambitions to progress in Poland, rather than Saturday afternoons in England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTD26 Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 13 minutes ago, geoff100 said: The headline says veu have entered the transfer market surely we aint sold him? Course we won’t have. They’ve just made a team change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2ohh Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 (edited) much too , much. much too much yer married with kids , when you should be avin fun ! oh wait . you are ...... Edited June 29 by j2ohh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j2ohh Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 On 6/29/2024 at 4:07 PM, CTD26 said: Course we won’t have. They’ve just made a team change i think the word TRANSFER gave it away . . not loan or any other words .... please correct me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdave Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, j2ohh said: i think the word TRANSFER gave it away . . not loan or any other words .... please correct me . He's been loaned to Belle Vue but will still ride for the Comets: Workington Comets rider on loan at Belle Vue - cumbriacrack.com 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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