szkocjasid Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Rob B said: Jason Edwards guests for Sam Hagon Is that allowed? I'm sure he was previously going to guest, but it got cancelled because he's not Sheffield's "rising star"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 6 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Is that allowed? I'm sure he was previously going to guest, but it got cancelled because he's not Sheffield's "rising star"? That was Ipswich. Edwards was booked to replace Dan Thompson when he had covid, but for the reason you say he wasn’t allowed so we had to use Freddy Hodder instead away at Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 On 6/22/2024 at 5:41 PM, bringbackHalifax said: Best home team v worse at present away team. Is that correct? I’d have thought Ipswich & Sheffield were better at home. Any stats people out there to confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moranboys Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 8 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Yep. And the family of 4 going to Belle Vue @ £46 for 120 minutes = 9.5p per minute of entertainment. Glad to see we've finally worked out that Speedway gives great value. Where do you get this 120minutes of entertainment from? It's 15 races@ roughly a minute a race.....???? Edited June 24 by Moranboys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 8 hours ago, iainb said: Did he receive a concussion at Berwick or has he broken a finger nail? Leicester saying 'facial injury' on their preview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 Should be £10.00 entry . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Is that allowed? I'm sure he was previously going to guest, but it got cancelled because he's not Sheffield's "rising star"? Thought it was because he was cup tied. Edited June 24 by Dornier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 9 hours ago, szkocjasid said: Is that allowed? I'm sure he was previously going to guest, but it got cancelled because he's not Sheffield's "rising star"? No, it isn't. A guest replacement for a rising star has to be selected from the list and he cannot be already in an existing 1 - 7. The only exception is if the rising star has moved up to a team's 1 - 5 which is not the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secsy1 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 10 hours ago, PotteringAround said: Yep. And the family of 4 going to Belle Vue @ £46 for 120 minutes = 9.5p per minute of entertainment. Glad to see we've finally worked out that Speedway gives great value. Wow you are unbelievable 1 hour ago, Moranboys said: Where do you get this 120minutes of entertainment from? It's 15 races@ roughly a minute a race.....???? Just remember all the clowns who ran and run the sport stick together with their narrow minded self righteous attitudes and beliefs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, secsy1 said: Wow you are unbelievable Just remember all the clowns who ran and run the sport stick together with their narrow minded self righteous attitudes and beliefs Anybody saying a speedway meeting is just 15 minutes of entertainment is simply trolling or just simple. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 29 minutes ago, tocha said: No, it isn't. A guest replacement for a rising star has to be selected from the list and he cannot be already in an existing 1 - 7. The only exception is if the rising star has moved up to a team's 1 - 5 which is not the case here. Dan Thompson was in the 1-5 away at Birmingham, and Edwards was booked to guest but wasn’t allowed, hence Freddy Hodder was drafted in late in the day. Reasoning being, Edwards is no longer a rising star this season despite being on the list at the start, so can’t replace another rising star no matter what position in the team they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 14 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Dan Thompson was in the 1-5 away at Birmingham, and Edwards was booked to guest but wasn’t allowed, hence Freddy Hodder was drafted in late in the day. Reasoning being, Edwards is no longer a rising star this season despite being on the list at the start, so can’t replace another rising star no matter what position in the team they are. Leicester have said in their preview they can use Edwards as he isn't a rising star for Sheffield 'In his place the Lions have booked Jason Edwards who is available on the Rising Star list as he does not race in that position for Sheffield.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, lisa-colette said: Leicester have said in their preview they can use Edwards as he isn't a rising star for Sheffield 'In his place the Lions have booked Jason Edwards who is available on the Rising Star list as he does not race in that position for Sheffield.' That doesn’t make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: That doesn’t make any sense. Edwards is on the rising star list, it looks like Sheffield have elected to sign him as an outright team member and use Gilkes as their rising star. I suppose it's up to the rider whether he decides to ride for Sheffield or another team as a rising star. As he's on the list I assume he's eligible to guest. You could question whether he should still be on the RS list if he's not being used as a RS by the club they are riding for. Edited June 24 by iainb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 8 minutes ago, iainb said: Edwards is on the rising star list, it looks like Sheffield have elected to sign him as an outright team member and use Gilkes as their rising star. I suppose it's up to the rider whether he decides to ride for Sheffield or another team as a rising star. As he's on the list I assume he's eligible to guest. You could question whether he should still be on the RS list if he's not being used as a RS by the club they are riding for. Once Sheffield named Edwards in their 1-6, Edwards was no longer a “rising star”. Sam Hagon is the Leicester rising star, which makes Edwards ineligible. Again, Ipswich named Edwards as a rising star guest for Dan Thompson (Ipswich’ rising star) away to Birmingham, but had to make a late change and used Freddy Hodder from the rising star list after allegedly being told Edwards was ineligible to guest. Why is one club being told one thing and another the complete opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Arch Stanton said: Once Sheffield named Edwards in their 1-6, Edwards was no longer a “rising star”. Sam Hagon is the Leicester rising star, which makes Edwards ineligible. Again, Ipswich named Edwards as a rising star guest for Dan Thompson (Ipswich’ rising star) away to Birmingham, but had to make a late change and used Freddy Hodder from the rising star list after allegedly being told Edwards was ineligible to guest. Why is one club being told one thing and another the complete opposite? Rightly or wrongly... he's on the list https://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.11238 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 (edited) 17 minutes ago, iainb said: Rightly or wrongly... he's on the list https://www.scbgb.co.uk/download.php?view.11238 I know he was on the list, that doesn’t change what I’ve said. Why were Ipswich told he was ineligible to guest for their missing rising star, but Leicester haven’t? That list might just not have been updated. Edwards being named in the 1-6 means he’s no longer a rising star. Gilkes is the Sheffield rising star, you don’t run with two rising stars. Exactly the same happened a few years ago when Ipswich signed Anders Rowe who was on the rising star list, as their senior reserve at number 6. The same “rule” was applied then. Could be one of three things. Ipswich were given duff information and didn’t use Edwards on the back of it despite being free to do so. Leicester could have made a mistake and will have to do what Ipswich did and make a late swap. Or thirdly, they’re all just letting it go because nobody can really be @rsed with it all. My money’s on number three. Edited June 24 by Arch Stanton 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 must admit this site is the cheapest entertainment i have ever come across. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aries Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 18 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: So if my understanding is correct Edwards was on the r/s list at the start of the season. So can guest as a rising star tonight. The only reson that Ipswich had to change their plans to use him as a r/s guest was because Edwards was already cup tied. So Edwards it is.... 16 minutes ago, W9 Lion said: Yes it does because you cannot pick a rider who is riding in an existing rising star position. It does not say anything about a rider in the main body of the team. Possibly another example to the rule book having a hole in it. “Should a team require a Rising Star guest next season, the eligible riders will again be those of GB nationality who are aged 23 or under (on January 1, 2024) and who have not achieved a final Premiership average in excess of 4.00, and who are not declared in a Premiership line-up elsewhere”. Leicester have to use an unattached rising star from the list. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/sports-insure-premiership/premiership-rising-stars-criteria/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 24 Report Share Posted June 24 54 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: I know he was on the list, that doesn’t change what I’ve said. Why were Ipswich told he was ineligible to guest for their missing rising star, but Leicester haven’t? That list might just not have been updated. Edwards being named in the 1-6 means he’s no longer a rising star. Gilkes is the Sheffield rising star, you don’t run with two rising stars. Exactly the same happened a few years ago when Ipswich signed Anders Rowe who was on the rising star list, as their senior reserve at number 6. The same “rule” was applied then. Could be one of three things. Ipswich were given duff information and didn’t use Edwards on the back of it despite being free to do so. Leicester could have made a mistake and will have to do what Ipswich did and make a late swap. Or thirdly, they’re all just letting it go because nobody can really be @rsed with it all. My money’s on number three. Anders Rowe was on the RS list at the start of the 2021 season. Ipswich signed Drew Kemp as their RS and Anders as their other reserve. Anders guested for Sheffield in place of their RS Josh Bates and when I queried it stating Anders was no longer an RS, they said he was on the list at the start so he stays an RS. Anders average was 5.49 which dwarfed Bates’ figure (He finished on 2.67). His paid 6 secured a narrow 2 point win for the Tigers. It could have been another of those Belle Vue/Bates things and Edwards might well no longer be an RS. https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2021-rising-stars/ https://britishspeedway.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/p21_issue_10.pdf https://britishspeedway.co.uk/2021-rider-statistics/ https://britishspeedway.co.uk/21results/sheffield_01.07.21_res.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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