Wolves Speedway potential new stadium???

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

56 minutes ago, Racin Jason 72 said:

Possibly Buster too at Peterborough 

I think it happened at stoke too 

[stevebrum]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Maybe but it could be the thing that gets a lifeline at the end of the season for Birmingham when the dogs move out 

It’s the last season of speedway at Birmingham unless they buy the stadium which I doubt they could afford. 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

30 minutes ago, stevebrum said:

It’s the last season of speedway at Birmingham unless they buy the stadium which I doubt they could afford. 

That’s my point,wolves temporally at Bham would double the rent usage and get closer to the £150,000 needed  for Bham to take over a lease holders, it’s still a shortfall but what’s really needed is Birmingham council to open up the lease for other uses 

Edited Monday at 10:57 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[1 valve]

11 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

That’s my point,wolves temporally at Bham would double the rent usage and get closer to the £150,000 needed  for Bham to take over a lease holders, it’s still a shortfall but what’s really needed is Birmingham council to open up the lease for other uses 

Whilst your point of two teams operating at Birmingham and thus providing greater rental income is understandable, but as you recognise, in reality it the combined income would still be insufficient to support the total running costs of the facility. As for the council broadening the uses at the stadium, what other activities are there that would generate sufficient income to cover the speedway shortfall? 

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[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, 1 valve said:

Whilst your point of two teams operating at Birmingham and thus providing greater rental income is understandable, but as you recognise, in reality it the combined income would still be insufficient to support the total running costs of the facility. As for the council broadening the uses at the stadium, what other activities are there that would generate sufficient income to cover the speedway shortfall? 

There are many uses, from stock car to go karts to car boots and anything in between but as I understand it the council are basically saying no to other ways of making revenue and uses for the stadium, in a roundabout way they are forcing the speedway out but making so as the speedway make the decision 

Edited yesterday at 12:34 PM by THE DEAN MACHINE

[eric i]

 

13 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

That’s my point,wolves temporally at Bham would double the rent usage and get closer to the £150,000 needed  for Bham to take over a lease holders, it’s still a shortfall but what’s really needed is Birmingham council to open up the lease for other uses 

I think the long term plan is to develop the stadium for housing. If they could make it pay at Perry Barr with Cradley NL, Birmingham champ, Wolverhampton  Prem for the next 5 to 10 years while they try to develop an out of town motorsport venue for all 3 teams.

[Wolfie456]

48 minutes ago, eric i said:

 

I think the long term plan is to develop the stadium for housing. If they could make it pay at Perry Barr with Cradley NL, Birmingham champ, Wolverhampton  Prem for the next 5 to 10 years while they try to develop an out of town motorsport venue for all 3 teams.

Perry Barr is going to be built on.

[eric i]

22 minutes ago, Wolfie456 said:

Perry Barr is going to be built on.

Yes but when? Council might want houses ASAP but there is at least a few years left before construction will start.

[Pinny]

Is there a proven case of a team moving to another club and sharing stadiums and it being a success?

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

38 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Is there a proven case of a team moving to another club and sharing stadiums and it being a success?

 

Yes cradley at wolves and to a lesser extent cradley at stoke wasn’t a complete fail 

[DJC]

40 minutes ago, Pinny said:

Is there a proven case of a team moving to another club and sharing stadiums and it being a success?

 

Didn't work for us at Bristol.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

2 hours ago, DJC said:

Didn't work for us at Bristol.

Who did Bristol share with ?

[mikebv]

1 hour ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Who did Bristol share with ?

Edinburgh...

[IainB]

6 hours ago, Wolfie456 said:

Perry Barr is going to be built on.

Are there not hundreds of unoccupied rooms just over the road from Perry Barr?

[Wolfie456]

1 minute ago, IainB said:

Are there not hundreds of unoccupied rooms just over the road from Perry Barr?

Doesn't matter Birmingham city council only like football cricket and athletics.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

28 minutes ago, IainB said:

Are there not hundreds of unoccupied rooms just over the road from Perry Barr?

Yes and they can’t sell because they don’t have bathrooms, they were built for commonwealth games and had communal bathrooms, the games were allocated £millions of which £50 million was never spent and is now supposedly being proposed for a velodrome in Bridgnorth Shropshire but that has gone very quiet lately and one of my customers who is a big player in Bridgnorth with the council said he knew nothing about it so sounds like some iffy dealings going on somewhere, there were 2 other locations in the running for the velodrome too both in the Black Country, what do you think was the answer when speedway asked to be part of the plans ? 

Edited 16 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

I have spoken about this before but speedway needs to consider becoming an amateur charity like sport and it would then get tracks built like althletics, bmx, cycling etc built for free as part of projects like this commonwealth games left over money,with good accountants riders could still earn a living from the sport,we have to start thinking out the box, at the moment from the very top we have a shoddy at best working organisation running the sport, there should be a go to manual/protocol for any new potential promotion to turn to for when they meet professional planners who have questions they need answering, there isn’t one, how amateurish is that ? The bspl/scb don’t answer calls or emails and when you finally get a reply they don’t have answers like what’s the decibel reading at 150yards from the bikes, these are questions planners ask and the sport doesn’t have them, there is no go to person and quite frankly it’s pathetic for what is supposed to be a professional sport and this is why you get residents turning up a planning meetings saying “I’m not having hells angels riding up and down my road all hours of the day” we know it’s not like that but people outside the sport don’t and this is why there should be go to protocol for these planning meetings 

Edited 16 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE

[DJC]

4 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Who did Bristol share with ?

Newport in 77? Believe they were the called the Dragons, the Newport promotion went across after Somerton Park closed and took a few riders over. Way before my time but understand fans didn't travel as well as expected

I could have got that wrong but that was my understanding from what my old man had told me. 

Edited 16 hours ago by DJC

[*JJ]

14 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

I have spoken about this before but speedway needs to consider becoming an amateur charity like sport and it would then get tracks built like althletics, bmx, cycling etc built for free as part of projects like this commonwealth games left over money,with good accountants riders could still earn a living from the sport,we have to start thinking out the box, at the moment from the very top we have a shoddy at best working organisation running the sport, there should be a go to manual/protocol for any new potential promotion to turn to for when they meet professional planners who have questions they need answering, there isn’t one, how amateurish is that ? The bspl/scb don’t answer calls or emails and when you finally get a reply they don’t have answers like what’s the decibel reading at 150yards from the bikes, these are questions planners ask and the sport doesn’t have them, there is no go to person and quite frankly it’s pathetic for what is supposed to be a professional sport and this is why you get residents turning up a planning meetings saying “I’m not having hells angels riding up and down my road all hours of the day” we know it’s not like that but people outside the sport don’t and this is why there should be go to protocol for these planning meetings 

Isn't that Phil Morris' job, Dean? Or it should be part of it. As for Perry Barr, I once measured it on a map, this track and Monmore and Cradley were only nine miles apart as the crow flies, and indeed Cradley used PB for a while when they started in the NL.

It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that when the dogs move out, planning permission  could be sought for speedway use on other days ... on the other hand, when I commented to Laurence Rogers that there was a convenient piece of land next to the athletics stadium, by the motorway, he grimaced and said 'Planning permission...'

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

34 minutes ago, *JJ said:

Isn't that Phil Morris' job, Dean? Or it should be part of it. As for Perry Barr, I once measured it on a map, this track and Monmore and Cradley were only nine miles apart as the crow flies, and indeed Cradley used PB for a while when they started in the NL.

It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that when the dogs move out, planning permission  could be sought for speedway use on other days ... on the other hand, when I commented to Laurence Rogers that there was a convenient piece of land next to the athletics stadium, by the motorway, he grimaced and said 'Planning permission...'

Yes it possibly should be Phil Morris’s job but he seems to be in the dark as everyone else, as I understand it the lease goes up to £150,000 after the dogs move out,which is ok if you have a free reign on the use of the stadium but apparently you don’t, it comes with major restrictions, which as I said earlier sounds like they want the speedway out to sell off the stadium but getting the speedway to make the decision themselves by making the lease unworkable, putting 2 and 2 together I believe there were plans to move the Cardiff GP to Alexandra stadium and when the track is installed maybe Bham would move there but that didn’t work out 

Edited 1 hour ago by THE DEAN MACHINE