Wolves Speedway potential new stadium???

[Fromafar]

It’s a huge financial risk to get involved in Speedway these days unless you money to burn.There won’t be many takers IMO.

[brianbuck]

Perry Barr greyhounds will be moving to Dunstall Park next September, so as Wolverhampton isn't going to want two dog tracks, then theoretically, Wolverhampton Speedway could return to Monmore.

However, if that did prove possible, the speedway club would need to rent the stadium for 365 days of the year which would entail a collosal ring increase, so it wouldn't be a practical option.

It is obscure just exactly who owns the land on which Monmore is sited. To my knowledge, this has never been revealed and neither has it been made known just what they intend to do with it when it becomes surplus to greyhounds and speedway usage, but most of us realise that the most likely outcome is that it will end up being built on.

I wish the Wolves the best of luck in locating a suitable alternative site, but as many are saying, it will be a long and costly process.

[Pauldoveyspeedway]

49 minutes ago, brianbuck said:

Perry Barr greyhounds will be moving to Dunstall Park next September, so as Wolverhampton isn't going to want two dog tracks, then theoretically, Wolverhampton Speedway could return to Monmore.

However, if that did prove possible, the speedway club would need to rent the stadium for 365 days of the year which would entail a collosal ring increase, so it wouldn't be a practical option.

It is obscure just exactly who owns the land on which Monmore is sited. To my knowledge, this has never been revealed and neither has it been made known just what they intend to do with it when it becomes surplus to greyhounds and speedway usage, but most of us realise that the most likely outcome is that it will end up being built on.

I wish the Wolves the best of luck in locating a suitable alternative site, but as many are saying, it will be a long and costly process.

Not sure on this but is there a market the back of M.G stadium  that has closed recently?????.

[HGould]

1 hour ago, brianbuck said:

Perry Barr greyhounds will be moving to Dunstall Park next September, so as Wolverhampton isn't going to want two dog tracks, then theoretically, Wolverhampton Speedway could return to Monmore.

However, if that did prove possible, the speedway club would need to rent the stadium for 365 days of the year which would entail a collosal ring increase, so it wouldn't be a practical option.

It is obscure just exactly who owns the land on which Monmore is sited. To my knowledge, this has never been revealed and neither has it been made known just what they intend to do with it when it becomes surplus to greyhounds and speedway usage, but most of us realise that the most likely outcome is that it will end up being built on.

I wish the Wolves the best of luck in locating a suitable alternative site, but as many are saying, it will be a long and costly process.

Sadly Brian the polar opposite is the commercial reality

Arena (formerly ARC) own Perry Barr and also Wolverhampron Dunstall Park RaceCourse

Entain (formerly Ladbrokes) own or at least have all of the rights to Monmore Green

Both Perry Barr and Monmore green are part of BAGS - who have GLOBAL rights to Dog Racing that is beamed 24x7 across the World and particularly the very cash rich Asian and Far East Markets.

Here's the rub of the green...

MONMORE GREEN / MONMORE is the globally known Stadium name for dogs. I've never seen it branded Wolverhampton.

Wolverhampton (occasionally Wolves) is the global branding for the Horse Racing - in the distant past it was known as Dunstall Park, the area of Wolverhampton it is situared in (Dunstall Hill).

So in commercial terms for Greyhounds / Horses e.g the massive BETTING markets - the Wolverhampton tag is irrelevant and for all the global betting markets are concerned Wolverhampton (the place) could have 4 or 5 Tracks as long as the global TV and Web betting markets paid the necessary fees and commissions.

In the past Birmingham could sipport Hall Green and Perry Barr just on crowds and UK betting markets. Wolverhampton could support Wilenhall and Monmore Green just on crowds and throw in Cradley Heath and Norton Canes too.

Sadly Dogs corners the GLOBAL market....of course Betting was banned in Speedway for many years, not now, but may be Speedway missed a trick with betting at a time when many Dog Stadia were set up for Tote and Stadium Betting that could have revolutionised the Sport.

Sadly i can find no solace (for Speedway) in Monmore losing dogs and Dunstall gains them. 

 

 

 

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

10 hours ago, brianbuck said:

Perry Barr greyhounds will be moving to Dunstall Park next September, so as Wolverhampton isn't going to want two dog tracks, then theoretically, Wolverhampton Speedway could return to Monmore.

However, if that did prove possible, the speedway club would need to rent the stadium for 365 days of the year which would entail a collosal ring increase, so it wouldn't be a practical option.

It is obscure just exactly who owns the land on which Monmore is sited. To my knowledge, this has never been revealed and neither has it been made known just what they intend to do with it when it becomes surplus to greyhounds and speedway usage, but most of us realise that the most likely outcome is that it will end up being built on.

I wish the Wolves the best of luck in locating a suitable alternative site, but as many are saying, it will be a long and costly process.

I believe when the stadium gets sold for development we will see how we were stabbed in the back by the council, saying one thing and doing another, no surprise really 

[Trees]

On 11/29/2024 at 5:34 PM, Bunce said:

Yep, been there, done that with potential sites for a new track near Norwich. We found a great site in a gravel pit, a natural bowl which seemed ideal. Planning application turned down on road access, and not approved until a new large road junction was built. A few years down the line, the road junction was built, planning application turned down again! In the meantime they gave permission for a huge new retail park next to our proposed site with a big Sainsburys, The Range, Boots, Next and numerous other stores all exiting at the same junction which the planners said was not suitable for a Speedway stadium. Regular chaos and queues at the junction, so words fail me!

I often wonder if Norwich City football have had any influence on speedway applications around the city ....

[ShanoXtra]

18 hours ago, Trees said:

I often wonder if Norwich City football have had any influence on speedway applications around the city ....

Norwich could tear up Carrow Rd and put a speedway track in it. You’d see more entertainment that way! 

[Bagpuss]

8 hours ago, ShanoXtra said:

Norwich could tear up Carrow Rd and put a speedway track in it. You’d see more entertainment that way! 

Bad timing considering they've just scored ten in a week and are the top scorers in the top two divisions 😁

[Col]

There is no obvious space in Wolverhampton for a speedway stadium, if a stadium could be built near Wolverhampton then it would have to in a South Staffs area rather than an area which is in Wolverhampton itself.  The obvious space is near the i54 industrial estate, which is next to the M54 junction 2 however while access for those who drivers is good, I'd think public transport links would be rather limited.

Wolverhampton are in a better position generally than Cradley, Wolverhampton is at least the north of the West Midlands conurbation with Staffordshire countryside surrounding some of it, Cradley is smack bang in the middle of the conurbation.  I don't know the area as well anymore, I haven't lived in Dudley for several years and didn't live in that area of Dudley anyway...  but I cannot think of any reasonable development space near it.  The nearest none densely populated urban area is the other side of the sizable towns of Stourbirdge & Halesowen.

When there is Greyhound racing at Dunstall, I do wonder what on earther will happen to Monmore, surely 2 Greyhound racing venues 3 miles apart is not sustainable.

[bigcatdiary]

On 10/12/2024 at 9:19 AM, IainB said:

Heard all these stories many times before at many other tracks up and down the country, sadly sounds like bull to me 🐄💩

Most of the clubs PR is bull, that’s nothing new

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, Col said:

There is no obvious space in Wolverhampton for a speedway stadium, if a stadium could be built near Wolverhampton then it would have to in a South Staffs area rather than an area which is in Wolverhampton itself.  The obvious space is near the i54 industrial estate, which is next to the M54 junction 2 however while access for those who drivers is good, I'd think public transport links would be rather limited.

Wolverhampton are in a better position generally than Cradley, Wolverhampton is at least the north of the West Midlands conurbation with Staffordshire countryside surrounding some of it, Cradley is smack bang in the middle of the conurbation.  I don't know the area as well anymore, I haven't lived in Dudley for several years and didn't live in that area of Dudley anyway...  but I cannot think of any reasonable development space near it.  The nearest none densely populated urban area is the other side of the sizable towns of Stourbirdge & Halesowen.

When there is Greyhound racing at Dunstall, I do wonder what on earther will happen to Monmore, surely 2 Greyhound racing venues 3 miles apart is not sustainable.

There is considerable size land around wolves and cradley heath/stourbridge but  for one reason or another it’s deemed not suitable for speedway or it too expensive to buy and if some is found it’s usually owned by the church and they are just sitting waiting for houses to be put on it and they will literally wait decades for planning, I was stunned to find out just how much land around the West Midlands the church owns,not all over ground either but also councils and councillors are 2 faced liars and say one thing to your face and do something different behind your back and just to top it all off speedway itself does no favours, there is no go to plan/manifest for potential new tracks to resort to when planners what questions answered, and even when you finally get a reply after calls and emails, what they send out is pathetic at best and doesn’t give the answers the planners request 

Edited 19 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE

[HGould]

1 hour ago, Col said:

There is no obvious space in Wolverhampton for a speedway stadium, if a stadium could be built near Wolverhampton then it would have to in a South Staffs area rather than an area which is in Wolverhampton itself.  The obvious space is near the i54 industrial estate, which is next to the M54 junction 2 however while access for those who drivers is good, I'd think public transport links would be rather limited.

Wolverhampton are in a better position generally than Cradley, Wolverhampton is at least the north of the West Midlands conurbation with Staffordshire countryside surrounding some of it, Cradley is smack bang in the middle of the conurbation.  I don't know the area as well anymore, I haven't lived in Dudley for several years and didn't live in that area of Dudley anyway...  but I cannot think of any reasonable development space near it.  The nearest none densely populated urban area is the other side of the sizable towns of Stourbirdge & Halesowen.

When there is Greyhound racing at Dunstall, I do wonder what on earther will happen to Monmore, surely 2 Greyhound racing venues 3 miles apart is not sustainable.

As explained earlier in this thread.

Dog Racing does NOT need to be sustainable in terms of bums on seats / feet on the ground.

Both Monmore and Dunstall Park will contiune STAGE BAGS afternoon meetings with a handul present, and more viable Evening Racing tageted at Dining. Dunstall has excellent facilities and an On Site Hotel. Monmore is a classic better quality God venue for Dining purposes.

98% of thier income will come from STREAMNG to all corners of the globe. That rakes in large sums and does not require anyone paying to get in.

Hence any false hope that Monmore may become available is sadly just that false hope!

 

 

[HGould]

4 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

There is considerable size land around wolves and cradley heath/stourbridge but  for one reason or another it’s deemed not suitable for speedway or it too expensive to buy and if some is found it’s usually owned by the church and they are just sitting waiting for houses to be put on it and they will literally wait decades for planning, I was stunned to find out just how much land around the West Midlands the church owns,not all over ground either but also councils and councillors are 2 faced liars and say one thing to your face and do something different behind your back and just to top it all off speedway itself does no favours, there is no go to plan/manifest for potential new tracks to resort to when planners what questions answered, and even when you finally get a reply after calls and emails, what they send out is pathetic at best and doesn’t give the answers the planners request 

It didn't help when some well known Promoters and personalities spaffed up large sums of money collected by Cradley Supporters on vanity projects and NOT for the purpose intended of finding a new Stadium.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

Just now, HGould said:

It didn't help when some well known Promoters and personalities spaffed up large sums of money collected by Cradley Supporters on vanity projects and NOT for the purpose intended of finding a new Stadium.

That may well be true but has no real bearing on finding a new track now ,that venture was a few years ago and still no new track and the glimmer of light that are relevant today are stuck in red tape 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

7 minutes ago, HGould said:

As explained earlier in this thread.

Dog Racing does NOT need to be sustainable in terms of bums on seats / feet on the ground.

Both Monmore and Dunstall Park will contiune STAGE BAGS afternoon meetings with a handul present, and more viable Evening Racing tageted at Dining. Dunstall has excellent facilities and an On Site Hotel. Monmore is a classic better quality God venue for Dining purposes.

98% of thier income will come from STREAMNG to all corners of the globe. That rakes in large sums and does not require anyone paying to get in.

Hence any false hope that Monmore may become available is sadly just that false hope!

 

 

It’s not being available now that’s the hope,it’s when monmore becomes available to buy as land or a stadium which you would think would be in the next 2 years as the greyhound operation will move to dunstal 

[HGould]

18 minutes ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

It’s not being available now that’s the hope,it’s when monmore becomes available to buy as land or a stadium which you would think would be in the next 2 years as the greyhound operation will move to dunstal 

But that is THE WHOLE POINT!

Monmore and Dunstall can live together in perfect harmony ad infinitum.

Monmore via ENTAIN; Dunstall via ARC/Arena

Supplying Global Streaming who don't give a flying feck where Stadia are, who owns them, how close they are together because MILLIONS will b generated by Global Streaming watched by people who will NEVER go to the stadiums nor even to the UK.

That is 21st Century Betting.

The Day they will both close is when A1 / E-Sports take over all Human / Equine / Canine events which is already happening in Betting Shops and Gaming Malls....there is or used to be as far back as 15 years ago E-SPEEDWAY in Bookies that you could bet on!

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

53 minutes ago, HGould said:

But that is THE WHOLE POINT!

Monmore and Dunstall can live together in perfect harmony ad infinitum. 

 

They could But they won’t, monmore will become available along with the fruit and veg market at the back and will be sold probably to the council to move their depot to, I agree with the rest of your post though but that’s a deeper issue that folk don’t want to talk about 

Edited 18 hours ago by THE DEAN MACHINE

[PersonalResponsibility]

1 hour ago, HGould said:

It didn't help when some well known Promoters and personalities spaffed up large sums of money collected by Cradley Supporters on vanity projects and NOT for the purpose intended of finding a new Stadium.

The fact that this happened, and nothing will ever come of it, is staggering. A blatant cash grab by those involved.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

1 hour ago, PersonalResponsibility said:

The fact that this happened, and nothing will ever come of it, is staggering. A blatant cash grab by those involved.

What do you want to come if it ? It was a business venture that paid off, they supplied a product which people wanted and brought, you may not like that fact but it wasn’t illegal, you can argue about morality all day long but that’s not how the world turns and I for one applaud they had the foresight to tap that market and give the cradley supporters what they wanted, you and all the other cradley supporters could of done the same thing but the fact is you didn’t

[martinmauger]

Similar situation in Hull; plenty of land inside and just outside city boundries, but literally ACRES of it just a couple of miles to the the North and to the West, but it's all owned by someone, just sitting on and it biding their time....