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Rider Replacement and Blödorn for Doyle and King? How on earth are they still 4 points clear at the top of the table? It must catch up with them sooner or later surely! If Emil was on it like last year it would have been the most one sided league since their all star team of 98.

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1 hour ago, Steve Irving said:

Rider Replacement and Blödorn for Doyle and King? How on earth are they still 4 points clear at the top of the table? It must catch up with them sooner or later surely! If Emil was on it like last year it would have been the most one sided league since their all star team of 98.

Looking at the stats between last season and this so far, over all meeting (League and Cup)

2023: 10.73

2024: 8.74

So you’re currently looking at a two point drop off from last year which is significant. It’s not as if he’s suddenly “downed tools” over here and going through the motions whilst flying elsewhere, because his average in Poland has dropped off a cliff this year also so he’s definitely having issues by his high standards. 
 

It’s ironic that last year our strength was the most potent top end in the league whilst our bottom end was the weak link, this year it’s flip flopped! Emil struggling and Doyle/King/Ellis out injured, but it’s been the big improvement from Rew and Thompson in particular that has carried us through meetings! If we had Doyle and a firing Emil then I agree it wouldn’t even be a contest.

Edit: other than his spell on the sidelines, Ellis has also been a big factor. Comfortably riding above his average which to be honest, we all expected him to do. Clearly a far better rider than he showed last year for Sheffield. 

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Jenkins has a GSA over 11 meetings this year of 2.84. Abysmal and he could have no complaints if he got the chop. He’s currently at 7 in the team, but he’s not the rising star, Thompson is. The fact Ipswich are doing so well and Thompson has been excellent, has took the focus off his poor season and bailed him out. The Ipswich team here looks poor, comfortable home win for me. Louis needs to pull his finger out and get a replacement in at 1. You can’t go R/R for someone like Jason Doyle and expect to win meetings especially on the road. 

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14 minutes ago, Aries said:

Jenkins has a GSA over 11 meetings this year of 2.84. Abysmal and he could have no complaints if he got the chop. He’s currently at 7 in the team, but he’s not the rising star, Thompson is. The fact Ipswich are doing so well and Thompson has been excellent, has took the focus off his poor season and bailed him out. The Ipswich team here looks poor, comfortable home win for me. Louis needs to pull his finger out and get a replacement in at 1. You can’t go R/R for someone like Jason Doyle and expect to win meetings especially on the road. 

Would you rather Louis pulled his finger out and rushed to get a number 1 or would you rather he took his time and got someone who would be a genuine replacement for Doyle? You're top of the league and going to make the playoffs, one or two losses at this stage of the season isn't really going matter in the greater scheme of things? Give Louis a chance and maybe he'll do the right business again - he hasn't really let you down over the last couple of years.

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13 minutes ago, Aries said:

Jenkins has a GSA over 11 meetings this year of 2.84. Abysmal and he could have no complaints if he got the chop. He’s currently at 7 in the team, but he’s not the rising star, Thompson is. The fact Ipswich are doing so well and Thompson has been excellent, has took the focus off his poor season and bailed him out. The Ipswich team here looks poor, comfortable home win for me. Louis needs to pull his finger out and get a replacement in at 1. You can’t go R/R for someone like Jason Doyle and expect to win meetings especially on the road. 

They’re trying but it’s proving difficult. Just when they think they’re making progress and a deal looks done, something crops up and it collapses. So many stars need to align before a deal gets completed, especially for the top end fellas. Although it’s nice to finish top and I’m confident we would have but for the issues we’ve faced, but it isn’t vital. The cup final is in the bag, and the final isn’t until September, neither are the play offs. Personally I think it’s wise to muddle through with guests and rider replacement until a quality option further down the line becomes available, than to make a signing now that might not be as good just to get a full 1-7 out. The pots aren’t handed out until September. 

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4 minutes ago, BackInTheDHSS said:

Would you rather Louis pulled his finger out and rushed to get a number 1 or would you rather he took his time and got someone who would be a genuine replacement for Doyle? You're top of the league and going to make the playoffs, one or two losses at this stage of the season isn't really going matter in the greater scheme of things? Give Louis a chance and maybe he'll do the right business again - he hasn't really let you down over the last couple of years.

Just posted something very similar, and I agree. 

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44 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

They’re trying but it’s proving difficult. Just when they think they’re making progress and a deal looks done, something crops up and it collapses. So many stars need to align before a deal gets completed, especially for the top end fellas. Although it’s nice to finish top and I’m confident we would have but for the issues we’ve faced, but it isn’t vital. The cup final is in the bag, and the final isn’t until September, neither are the play offs. Personally I think it’s wise to muddle through with guests and rider replacement until a quality option further down the line becomes available, than to make a signing now that might not be as good just to get a full 1-7 out. The pots aren’t handed out until September. 

I do not think Ipswich are muddling through as a neutral supporter, I think the riders are are gelling and working hard through the injury problems well and getting the correct result for Ipswich, very much like Peterborough did in 2021. 

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All Points above I get and to an extent I agree with.

But on the point where we are in the Final of the Cup and we should get Top 4, which means we should be in Play Offs come September is saying we can afford to lose a few meetings etc and still be safe whilst using Guests and R/R. I disagree with this as its ok to start with,and I think we have been very lucky with Guests since all these injuries started, but losing a few meetings coz we are safe will start to effect riders confidence in the long run, so why accept its ok to just lose a few, and what about the supporters that travel everywhere to keep watching Guests and those that travel and think it's ok tonight we can afford to lose this.

I do understand the right person has to come in, and we don't want anybody in the management doesn't trust,of course I get that, you don't want no bad egg coming in at this stage,but I certainly wouldn't want to wait to say August to get the right man in (Lambert). Yes I know for a Fact they are trying their hardest,and I for one trust the process, but I don't want to go watch us in away meetings with the attitude we can afford to lose this one, you can't win every meeting either,but I'd rather watch us lose with a team that knows each other come September than a team that has gone through the motions.

I also must add Jason Doyle is irreplaceable,so I understand the extent of the task getting the right rider in, but for me personally who goes Home and Away I would hope a new Number 1 is in sooner rather than later.

I don't think the attitude of being in a good position warrants using Guests and R/R for the next few meetings coz we can afford to lose a few.

This Sport hinges on momentum and Rider Confidence, and a few defeats coz it's ok, would effect confidence in our younger riders in JJ,Rew and Dan Thompson,who have all waded in with vital points this season, why would we want to risk them losing any confidence.

I will be at Oxford tomorrow night(Weather Permitting)cheering the boys on,but I agree with an original post,this looks like a meeting that could finally catch up with us.

Hope to see a few Witches fans tomorrow night, as my previous visit to Oxford this season was a brilliant night,not just coz of the result,but again this Speedway family that never let's us down(apart from the Sheffield bend army)the Oxford supporters were excellent company.

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Full line-ups...

Oxford Spires: 1. Rohan Tungate, 2. Charles Wright, 3. Lewis Kerr, 4. Maciej Janowski, 5. Chris Harris, 6. Erik Riss, 7. Ashton Boughen.

Ipswich Witches: 1. R/R, 2. Dan Thompson, 3. Adam Ellis, 4. Norick Blodorn (G), 5. Emil Sayfutdinov, 6. Keynan Rew, 7. Jordan Jenkins.

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42 minutes ago, siggysigalos said:

All Points above I get and to an extent I agree with.

But on the point where we are in the Final of the Cup and we should get Top 4, which means we should be in Play Offs come September is saying we can afford to lose a few meetings etc and still be safe whilst using Guests and R/R. I disagree with this as its ok to start with,and I think we have been very lucky with Guests since all these injuries started, but losing a few meetings coz we are safe will start to effect riders confidence in the long run, so why accept its ok to just lose a few, and what about the supporters that travel everywhere to keep watching Guests and those that travel and think it's ok tonight we can afford to lose this.

I do understand the right person has to come in, and we don't want anybody in the management doesn't trust,of course I get that, you don't want no bad egg coming in at this stage,but I certainly wouldn't want to wait to say August to get the right man in (Lambert). Yes I know for a Fact they are trying their hardest,and I for one trust the process, but I don't want to go watch us in away meetings with the attitude we can afford to lose this one, you can't win every meeting either,but I'd rather watch us lose with a team that knows each other come September than a team that has gone through the motions.

I also must add Jason Doyle is irreplaceable,so I understand the extent of the task getting the right rider in, but for me personally who goes Home and Away I would hope a new Number 1 is in sooner rather than later.

I don't think the attitude of being in a good position warrants using Guests and R/R for the next few meetings coz we can afford to lose a few.

This Sport hinges on momentum and Rider Confidence, and a few defeats coz it's ok, would effect confidence in our younger riders in JJ,Rew and Dan Thompson,who have all waded in with vital points this season, why would we want to risk them losing any confidence.

I will be at Oxford tomorrow night(Weather Permitting)cheering the boys on,but I agree with an original post,this looks like a meeting that could finally catch up with us.

Hope to see a few Witches fans tomorrow night, as my previous visit to Oxford this season was a brilliant night,not just coz of the result,but again this Speedway family that never let's us down(apart from the Sheffield bend army)the Oxford supporters were excellent company.

Fair enough SS, but I think you’ll be in a minority here. The Ipswich fans haven’t seen their side lift the big one since the all conquering side of 1998. They’ve been starved of success for far too long. I think most fans would prefer to wait for the best possible rider that gives them the best chance of winning the title, than going for an inferior rider now. If that means waiting until just before the cut off for signings so be it. I know going with guests is frustrating, but personally patience is the order of the day here for me. 

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I do agree with wait until the right rider comes in, as ive said we don't want any bad egg coming in and spoiling what we have this season.

I think my point was more i don't like hearing we can afford to lose a few, i go Home and Away, and yes thats through many many bad years, trust me, so i know we have been starved of success, but it's also a confidence and momentum sport, and it worries me the longer it takes, and as its been said, we can lose a few, then confidence from our younger riders may start to dwindle.

I know Doyley is irreplaceable, so whoever we get has got a tough job on their hands, but i just think in time it's better to have a New rider in rather than guests, but i agree with you all if we have to wait so be it. Danny is hopefully back next Thursday, so that helps.

I also agree that there doesnt seem to be a lot out there, Kings Lynn could only manage Jan Kvech, Belle Vue look likely to of lost Brady Kurtz for a while if not the whole season and who knows what they will bring in, so the list is minimal, although i expect Belle Vue at some stage to bring in Robert Lambert (That's a shoe in).

As ive said on other posts i know that Vaculik and Dudek are a complete No Go.

I suppose it's my passion coming out and i need to Wait like the rest of you.:lol:

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4 hours ago, Aries said:

Jenkins has a GSA over 11 meetings this year of 2.84. Abysmal and he could have no complaints if he got the chop. He’s currently at 7 in the team, but he’s not the rising star, Thompson is. The fact Ipswich are doing so well and Thompson has been excellent, has took the focus off his poor season and bailed him out. The Ipswich team here looks poor, comfortable home win for me. Louis needs to pull his finger out and get a replacement in at 1. You can’t go R/R for someone like Jason Doyle and expect to win meetings especially on the road. 

I seem to remember someone from Oxford saying something similar about their team  but a few weeks ago.

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5 hours ago, Aries said:

Jenkins has a GSA over 11 meetings this year of 2.84. Abysmal and he could have no complaints if he got the chop. He’s currently at 7 in the team, but he’s not the rising star, Thompson is. The fact Ipswich are doing so well and Thompson has been excellent, has took the focus off his poor season and bailed him out. The Ipswich team here looks poor, comfortable home win for me. Louis needs to pull his finger out and get a replacement in at 1. You can’t go R/R for someone like Jason Doyle and expect to win meetings especially on the road. 

Surely there is no rush or need to replace Doyle at the Moment..Ippo have already got a top 4 finish..at thats all they need to do..They can Replace Doyle nearer  the time of the play offs when better options become available . Winning or losing to Oxford away at the moment is  really of little importance .plus he will be saving money.

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Surprised we haven't got Scotty in to guest for King, but suppose he doesn't want to ride against his employers even though this is Premiership not Championship.

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I think some credit should go to Ritchie for the guests he has got for different tracks tbh. I think we may have a blip when Danny returns,  due to his fitness rather than his ability,  so hopefully whilst the hunt for Doyley's replacement continues we don't rely too much on mr R/R.

Anyway, I for one congratulate the team for pulling out all the stops in their performances since injurygate hit us so badly. 

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