r8gdp Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 20 hours ago, Gavan said: It was but Zmarzlik is better than Ward would have been Unfortunately we will never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 24 minutes ago, r8gdp said: Sumbody else that can’t spell lol my mate smarts lol got this year rapped up lol Wondered where you were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r8gdp Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 7 minutes ago, chunky said: Wondered where you were? Didn’t watch it last night just tried watching now but internet not good here in North Wales so came on here to find result and read the comments,you seem to have come in for some stick lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 2 hours ago, r8gdp said: Didn’t watch it last night just tried watching now but internet not good here in North Wales so came on here to find result and read the comments,you seem to have come in for some stick lol Nowt new wi' these idiots, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainB Posted June 16 Report Share Posted June 16 (edited) 19 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Zmarzlik is quickly becoming overrated. People calling him Poland's greatest ever rider are having a laugh. Tomasz Gollob is twice the rider Zmarzlik will ever be. Gollob had to compete against Crump, Hancock, Leigh Adams, Nicki Pedersen and Tony Rickardsson. Zmarzlik competes against Holder, Vaculik, Lindgren. Doyle, Bewley and Lambert. Has there been another era when there have been so few world champions competing? Past, present and future? Obviously Zmarzlik's achievements will be judged in the future, when he's retired along with the current crop. But Rickardsson competed against more world champions: Jan O Pedersen, Per Jonsson, Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill, Mark Loram, Tomasz Gollob, Gary Havelock, Jason Crump, Nicki Pedersen = 11 champions, 21 world titles 6 wins, 3 2nd's (to Jan O, Crump & Nielsen), 2 3rd's (to Loram, Hamill, Crump & Pedersen), 2 4th's (to Hamill, Nielsen, Gollob & Hancock): 18 World Champions Trick rode in 8 home GP's and won 2 in his 6 title wins. GP win ratio 23.81% Zmarzlik: Greg Hancock, Tai Woffinden, Chris Holder, Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Artem Laguta = 6 champions, 13 world titles 4 wins, 2 2nd's (to Woffy & Laguta), 1 3rd (to Hancock & Woffy): 8 World Champions Bartek rode in 16 home GP's and won 7 in his 4 title wins GP win ratio 26.37% A higher proportion of GP's have been held in Zmarzlik's home land in the modern era (and I don't care what you say, that is an advantage), with 2020's championship almost exclusively being held in Poland. Add in the ban applied to his 2 closest rivals as good as he undoubtedly is, he ain't no GoaT (yet). Somebody else might want to look at Ivan Mauger's record Edited June 17 by iainb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technik Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 13 hours ago, arnieg said: So you agree that RnR is right to correct you. He was a former Russian national and has since represented the Polish national team in FIM competition. Yes I agree he is a former Russian national by birth that is beyond doubt. The point I made is that his adopted Polish nation was made prior to the conflict & he represented Poland in that time. The suspension of Russian riders was made after the conflict started & it was at this time that other Russians moved to Poland where they have since taken Polish national status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattB Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 11 hours ago, iainb said: Has there been another era when there have been so few world champions competing? Past, present and future? Obviously Zmarzlik's achievements will be judged in the future, when he's retired along with the current crop. But Rickardsson competed against more world champions: Jan O Pedersen, Per Jonsson, Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill, Mark Loram, Tomasz Gollob, Gary Havelock, Jason Crump, Nicki Pedersen = 11 champions, 21 world titles 6 wins, 3 2nd's (to Jan O, Crump & Nielsen), 2 3rd's (to Loram, Hamill, Crump & Pedersen), 2 4th's (to Hamill, Nielsen, Gollob & Hancock) Trick rode in 8 home GP's and won 2 in his 6 title wins. GP win ratio 23.81% Zmarzlik: Greg Hancock, Tai Woffinden, Chris Holder, Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Artem Laguta = 6 champions, 13 world titles 4 wins, 2 2nd's (to Woffy & Laguta), 1 3rd (to Hancock & Woffy) Bartek rode in 16 home GP's and won 7 in his 4 title wins GP win ratio 26.37% A higher proportion of GP's have been held in Zmarzlik's home land in the modern era (and I don't care what you say, that is an advantage), with 2020's championship almost exclusively being held in Poland. Add in the ban applied to his 2 closest rivals as good as he undoubtedly is, he ain't no GoaT (yet). Somebody else might want to look at Ivan Mauger's record Rickardsson also won the majority of his titles when you only had 6 rounds and 1 bad GP would kill your chances. Jason Crump had five podium finishes out of 6 in 2001, but a poor Berlin GP cost him the title. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 11 hours ago, iainb said: Has there been another era when there have been so few world champions competing? Past, present and future? Obviously Zmarzlik's achievements will be judged in the future, when he's retired along with the current crop. But Rickardsson competed against more world champions: Jan O Pedersen, Per Jonsson, Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill, Mark Loram, Tomasz Gollob, Gary Havelock, Jason Crump, Nicki Pedersen = 11 champions, 21 world titles 6 wins, 3 2nd's (to Jan O, Crump & Nielsen), 2 3rd's (to Loram, Hamill, Crump & Pedersen), 2 4th's (to Hamill, Nielsen, Gollob & Hancock): 18 World Champions Trick rode in 8 home GP's and won 2 in his 6 title wins. GP win ratio 23.81% Zmarzlik: Greg Hancock, Tai Woffinden, Chris Holder, Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Artem Laguta = 6 champions, 13 world titles 4 wins, 2 2nd's (to Woffy & Laguta), 1 3rd (to Hancock & Woffy): 8 World Champions Bartek rode in 16 home GP's and won 7 in his 4 title wins GP win ratio 26.37% A higher proportion of GP's have been held in Zmarzlik's home land in the modern era (and I don't care what you say, that is an advantage), with 2020's championship almost exclusively being held in Poland. Add in the ban applied to his 2 closest rivals as good as he undoubtedly is, he ain't no GoaT (yet). Somebody else might want to look at Ivan Mauger's record He will not be racing many more World Champions in the next few years the way he is riding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 7 minutes ago, Fromafar said: He will not be racing many more World Champions in the next few years the way he is riding. Artem Laguta is ready. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangerBoy Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 How many one off finals would he have won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjcone44 Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 14 minutes ago, BangerBoy said: How many one off finals would he have won? well lets call every gp a one of world final and count them up. forgetting the semi's and final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 44 minutes ago, BangerBoy said: How many one off finals would he have won? 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 (edited) 3 hours ago, LagutaRacingFan said: Artem Laguta is ready. Who.Heard that name somewhere. Edited June 17 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 17 Report Share Posted June 17 13 hours ago, iainb said: Has there been another era when there have been so few world champions competing? Past, present and future? Obviously Zmarzlik's achievements will be judged in the future, when he's retired along with the current crop. But Rickardsson competed against more world champions: Jan O Pedersen, Per Jonsson, Hans Nielsen, Sam Ermolenko, Greg Hancock, Billy Hamill, Mark Loram, Tomasz Gollob, Gary Havelock, Jason Crump, Nicki Pedersen = 11 champions, 21 world titles 6 wins, 3 2nd's (to Jan O, Crump & Nielsen), 2 3rd's (to Loram, Hamill, Crump & Pedersen), 2 4th's (to Hamill, Nielsen, Gollob & Hancock): 18 World Champions Trick rode in 8 home GP's and won 2 in his 6 title wins. GP win ratio 23.81% Zmarzlik: Greg Hancock, Tai Woffinden, Chris Holder, Jason Doyle, Nicki Pedersen, Artem Laguta = 6 champions, 13 world titles 4 wins, 2 2nd's (to Woffy & Laguta), 1 3rd (to Hancock & Woffy): 8 World Champions Bartek rode in 16 home GP's and won 7 in his 4 title wins GP win ratio 26.37% A higher proportion of GP's have been held in Zmarzlik's home land in the modern era (and I don't care what you say, that is an advantage), with 2020's championship almost exclusively being held in Poland. Add in the ban applied to his 2 closest rivals as good as he undoubtedly is, he ain't no GoaT (yet). Somebody else might want to look at Ivan Mauger's record Nope, he isn't. That for me is still Hans Nielsen, given his record over all meetings (not just individual World Champs). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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